Toddwert Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 With whats left on the market I think its kind of pointless to sign any of these 1-2 year guys that arent really going to move the win needle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I am loving watching all these average or worse players get signed in free agency to teams other than the Tigers. I am actually excited when I see another marginal name and it’s not attached to us. Let other teams waste money on trash. Great work Captain Harris. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Edman85 said: He took this past year off. Yes, he had had his worst season in five years in 2021, and take the year off last year. Still gets 2/38 with an out in year two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hongbit said: I am loving watching all these average or worse players get signed in free agency to teams other than the Tigers. I am actually excited when I see another marginal name and it’s not attached to us. Let other teams waste money on trash. Great work Captain Harris. It could be wasting money of marginal players, or it could also be that, incredibly, players have been increasingly underpaid versus rising revenues for several years and the pay is just now beginning to catch up. If the latter is true, then the $64 question will be, will Baby Doc respond competitively when it’s time again to do so, or will he fight against a shifted market and repeatedly get outbid for players we can actually use to help put us over the top? That’s a question we probably won’t know the answer to until at least next offseason, and perhaps not for two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 The reason he took the year off is he had an injury and had a draft pick attached to him last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, Toddwert said: With whats left on the market I think its kind of pointless to sign any of these 1-2 year guys that arent really going to move the win needle. down to Profar and DFA team: Dominic Smith and Brian Anderson and Edwin Rios and Jason Vosler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, Edman85 said: The reason he took the year off is he had an injury and had a draft pick attached to him last year. how crazy would it be if Conforto's shoulder is still screwed up and they have to carry an injured guy not named Correa around for the next 2 years? (not rooting for an injury) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: down to Profar and DFA team: Dominic Smith and Brian Anderson and Edwin Rios and Jason Vosler We can always hope for trades i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, chasfh said: It could be wasting money of marginal players, or it could also be that, incredibly, players have been increasingly underpaid versus rising revenues for several years and the pay is just now beginning to catch up. If the latter is true, then the $64 question will be, will Baby Doc respond competitively when it’s time again to do so, or will he fight against a shifted market and repeatedly get outbid for players we can actually use to help put us over the top? That’s a question we probably won’t know the answer to until at least next offseason, and perhaps not for two. Maybe next year my attitude will change but there is nothing that can get us over the top this year. This team is going to be below .500. No need to waste money and roster sports in this market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 50 minutes ago, Toddwert said: Conforto off the board https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/giants-michael-conforto-agree-to-two-year-deal.html A bit higher than 2/$17M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: down to Profar and DFA team: Dominic Smith and Brian Anderson and Edwin Rios and Jason Vosler AJ Pollock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Toddwert said: With whats left on the market I think its kind of pointless to sign any of these 1-2 year guys that arent really going to move the win needle. I sort of agree, although it's not clear to me that even a guy like Conforto was going to move the win needle all that much for a team that only won 66 games last year. That's a big reason why big named free agents tend to end up on teams on the precipice of contending, and it's not just about money.... similar to the "last mile" problem in transportation engineering and logistics, free agency is the thing that gets you across the finish line and from 80-85 wins to 90+ wins. Versus being something that you can completely remake a roster sub-70 win roster with. There are exceptions, but that's generally not how it works. A lot of the ground is gonna have to be made up from what is on the roster, and honestly I think it can be if a lot of things go right this year. Edited December 23, 2022 by mtutiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hongbit said: Maybe next year my attitude will change but there is nothing that can get us over the top this year. This team is going to be below .500. No need to waste money and roster sports in this market. I still think the near term priority is getting the structure of the organization in the right direction. Its not to say that the on field is to be ignored. Certainly there are gains to be made there, beginning with continuous development of prospects and hopefully finding rebounds among the numerous veteran bats that disappointed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, casimir said: I still think the near term priority is getting the structure of the organization in the right direction. Its not to say that the on field is to be ignored. Certainly there are gains to be made there, beginning with continuous development of prospects and hopefully finding rebounds among the numerous veteran bats that disappointed. I agree, although I do think the Tigers will make 1-2 additional signings when it is all said and done. Even if they don't satisfy everyone's desires for big names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, mtutiger said: The ground is gonna have to be made up from what is on the roster, and honestly I think it can be if a lot of things go right this year. So, Meadows, Schoop, and Baez hit at career averages. Full & healthy reasonably good seasons from Greene and Torkelson. How many wins does that add on its own? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 LHR are next; does Chafin own a phone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, casimir said: So, Meadows, Schoop, and Baez hit at career averages. Full & healthy reasonably good seasons from Greene and Torkelson. How many wins does that add on its own? so we win 70 games because you know its not everything is going to be good... injures and bad season are going to happen Edited December 23, 2022 by Toddwert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, mtutiger said: I agree, although I do think the Tigers will make 1-2 additional signings when it is all said and done. Even if they don't satisfy everyone's desires for big names. Yes, I think we'll see the RHH OF that Harris mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, casimir said: So, Meadows, Schoop, and Baez hit at career averages. Full & healthy reasonably good seasons from Greene and Torkelson. How many wins does that add on its own? Meadows, Schoop and Baez would be 5-6 wins, Riley Greene and Spencer Torkelson might be a 4-5 wins. So 9-11.... very rough from looking at WAR. Add in Spencer Turnbull, whose presence is probably worth another win or two if he performs well. Could maybe throw Jake Rogers into the mix, but I'm less sold. Edited December 23, 2022 by mtutiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, mtutiger said: Meadows, Schoop and Baez would be 5-6 wins, Riley Greene and Spencer Torkelson might be a 5-6 wins. So 10-12.... very rough from looking at WAR. Add in Spencer Turnbull, whose presence is probably worth another win or two if he performs well. Could maybe throw Jake Rogers into the mix, but I'm less sold. Well, as far as catcher is concerned, it shouldn't be too difficult to improve upon what Barnhart "produced". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Toddwert said: so we win 70 games because you know its not everything is going to be good... injures and bad season are going to happen The flip side to that is that a big part of their 66 wins last year was an abnormal about of injuries and guys having bad seasons. And they have three guys coming into the next season (Meadows, Turnbull and Rogers) who were non-entities on the 2022 team and one expects they will contribute more than they did in 2022, which on its own makes them a better ballclub. Maybe 2022 was almost the inverse of 2021.... just as maybe it wasn't realistic guys to repeat performances from 2021, water can always find its level in 2023 versus a year like 2022 when nothing went right. Edited December 23, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, Hongbit said: Maybe next year my attitude will change but there is nothing that can get us over the top this year. This team is going to be below .500. No need to waste money and roster sports in this market. Absolutely, playing at the top end of the market was never going to work out for us now, and they may have decided that even the middle of the market is overpriced in years for them. That's really what the crux of the biscuit for the Tigers is: it's more about the years than the money, and we don't want to throw more than a year at anybody because we don't want multi-year marginal players hanging around and screwing up our plans in, say, 2025. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, mtutiger said: AJ Pollock Only if he'll take one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, chasfh said: That's really what the crux of the biscuit for the Tigers is: it's more about the years than the money, and we don't want to throw more than a year at anybody because we don't want multi-year marginal players hanging around and screwing up our plans in, say, 2025. Yeah, there's definitely something about the years thing with this market.... even Tucker Barnhart is getting two years lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, chasfh said: Yes, he had had his worst season in five years in 2021, and take the year off last year. Still gets 2/38 with an out in year two. It was due to an injury. It's not like he mysteriously lost his skills. Still, they need to be really confident that he is completely recovered after his time off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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