RatkoVarda Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 19. Zach Logue, SP Drafted: 9th Round, 2017 from Kentucky (TOR) Age 25.9 Height 6′ 0″ Weight 165 Bat / Thr L / L FV 40 Tool Grades (Present/Future) Fastball Slider Changeup Cutter Command Sits/Tops 40/40 45/45 60/60 50/50 60/60 91-93 / 95 Logue slips his 91-93 mph fastball past hitters at the letters thanks to its upward angle, created by Logue’s low arm slot. He pretty evenly mixes in a changeup, cutter and slider, with his change operating as his swing-and-miss, finishing pitch. Though neither of his breaking balls is especially nasty, Logue has precise command of them, especially of his cutter, which knifes in on the hands of righty batters with remarkable consistency. The whole package enabled Logue to strike out 144 hitters in 125 innings at Double- and Triple-A in 2021. His workload foundation and proximity to the big leagues mean we’ll likely see Logue in Toronto in 2022. He’s a high-probability backend starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: De Jesus dfa Logue appears to have basically nose-dived after the Matt Chapman trade... his numbers in the Jays system versus with the A's are night and day. Seems like a good project for Fetter and Co. Edited December 23, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Zach Logue's numbers are not impressive. I dare chasfh to pull out his percentile charts. On the the bright side, he is a lefty with good control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Edman85 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Possible he just lost all confidence in the Vegas band box last year. He'll be on the other side of the churn later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said: not a Clemens fan at all, but giving Koby 150 ABs is better than giving them to MM I fear Clemens upside is right around the dreadful version of Moustakas the last two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Logue gave up almost 190 hits in 135 innings between AAA and the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: He apparently has a good curveball. Curvin' Castro. He and Crouch will make an amazing battery for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 AZ and Tor were destined to make some kind of OF-C trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Judging by Logue's numbers he appears to be a scout signing cause theres nothing in the stats that give me any hope. Somebody must have seen something in him that they think they can work with, atleast that's what I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gilmore Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I for one am relieved that our Castro void has been filled. 😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: Judging by Logue's numbers he appears to be a scout signing cause theres nothing in the stats that give me any hope. Somebody must have seen something in him that they think they can work with, atleast that's what I hope. Just my two cents, but his production as part of the Blue Jays organization shows why they may like him. Didn't walk a lot of guys and his K/9 was increasing before his trade. Not saying that the stuff with the A's/Las Vegas doesn't matter, but it's a little bit like Mario Feliciano and that they may want to attempt to reclaim some of what made him a ranked prospect in the Jays org. It may not work, but this approach is smart and Avila never really did stuff like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said: AZ and Tor were destined to make some kind of OF-C trade I love the old school feel to the trade, just two teams trading 2 young promising players from respective positions of strengths. Wish we saw more trades like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Harris speaks (apologies if already posted) https://apple.news/AljmZaoBeR4KN9FUg1jK3LA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Zach Logue's numbers are not impressive. I dare chasfh to pull out his percentile charts. On the the bright side, he is a lefty with good control. Not a fan, huh? I find them fairly instructive. You don't have to agree. I'll still post them here when the mood strikes me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: Judging by Logue's numbers he appears to be a scout signing cause theres nothing in the stats that give me any hope. Somebody must have seen something in him that they think they can work with, atleast that's what I hope. I think it's likely he gets churned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 4 hours ago, RatkoVarda said: 26. Kervin Castro, SIRP Signed: July 2nd Period, 2015 from Venezuela (SFG) Age 23.0 Height 6′ 0″ Weight 210 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40 Tool Grades (Present/Future) Fastball Curveball Command Sits/Tops 60/60 50/55 30/40 93-96 / 98 Castro converted from catching to the mound late in his amateur career and while he hadn’t pitched outside of short-season ball entering the 2020 season, he was the talk of Instructional League and moved to a bullpen roll in order to hasten his advancement to the big leagues. Challenged with an assignment to Triple-A to enter the 2021 season, he excelled in short stints and ended the year with 10 scoreless appearances with the major league club. Nearly as wide as he is tall, Castro leans heavily on a two-pitch mix, with his bread and butter being a mid-90s fastball that can touch 98 mph and plays even better than the velocity thanks to vertical shape and rising action. He has a weird low-80s curve that features solid depth despite low-spin rates, but the pitch is highly inconsistent, flashing both plus and fringy. Unlike many ex-catchers on the mound, Castro has an easy arm action and repeats his delivery well. But while his control is solid, his command can be a bit spotty at times. He’ll likely break camp in the big leagues, and should have a long career as a seventh/eighth inning type. The job of Big Fat Righthanded Reliever was open. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinkeroo Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Tenacious D said: Harris speaks (apologies if already posted) https://apple.news/AljmZaoBeR4KN9FUg1jK3LA Sounds like “We are going to tank, spend as little money as possible, and make a profit off of revenue sharing.” It’s a familiar formula. The “improvement” speech might’ve worked eight years ago, but not now. Looks like I’ll be making the drive to Toledo. Go Hens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 46 minutes ago, chasfh said: Not a fan, huh? I find them fairly instructive. You don't have to agree. I'll still post them here when the mood strikes me. It was a joke combining the ideas that you present these charts a lot and Logue has some of the worst percentile ranks I have seen. I think the ranks are interesting and can be instructive in certain cases, but they are not predictive in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, Clinkeroo said: Sounds like “We are going to tank, spend as little money as possible, and make a profit off of revenue sharing.” It’s a familiar formula. The “improvement” speech might’ve worked eight years ago, but not now. Looks like I’ll be making the drive to Toledo. Go Hens! That’s what you took from that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: The job of Big Fat Righthanded Reliever was open. No confidence in Cisnero? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 5 hours ago, mtutiger said: Neither do I. Thought experiment: what if, between now and the end of the offseason, they end up landing a couple of the remaining bigger names. For arguments sake, let's say it's Profar and Jean Segura. If those signings had happened at the end of the Winter Meetings versus in January, would people still be saying they "weren't active" this offseason? People don't like to hear it, but the free agency period isn't over yet. The offseason isn't over yet. You don't get bonus points for filling your holes in early December versus filling them in late January... the holes either get filled or they do not. I dont know what they will or won't do between now and the offseason. But the fact that they haven't signed for any of their stated offensive needs or the fact that the Jon Heyman types haven't thrown their name out (ie. laundered agent talking points) doesn't mean nothing will happen going forward. I either forgot or didn’t realize how Profar’s BB% and SO% fit well into what Harris wants. Same for Segura on the SO% side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 5 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: Judging by Logue's numbers he appears to be a scout signing cause theres nothing in the stats that give me any hope. Somebody must have seen something in him that they think they can work with, atleast that's what I hope. low delivery? Hinch is a proponent of the theory that you want your relivers to all look different so each one is a change of pace. Might be part of the motivation to give a guy with a low arm angle a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinkeroo Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 4 hours ago, Tenacious D said: That’s what you took from that? Yeah. You can only be fed BS so long before everything starts to taste like BS. I call it the human centipede theory of Ilitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Clinkeroo said: Yeah. You can only be fed BS so long before everything starts to taste like BS. I call it the human centipede theory of Ilitch. Yer cousin posts here too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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