chasfh Posted November 6, 2022 Author Share Posted November 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: Why not? Because Carlos Correa wanted more than five years, and he’s easily the kind of player that can get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Just now, chasfh said: Because Carlos Correa wanted more than five years, and he’s easily the kind of player that can get it. Because more than 5 years is worth...more money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 6, 2022 Author Share Posted November 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: Because more than 5 years is worth...more money? Because more than 5 years is worth…more security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Last years free agency for Correa was messed up with the shutdown. He wanted 10 / 350 to beat Linder as the board has noted. He got 35 to defer to another year so he’s still looking for the remaining 9/ 315 and will probably start with 10/ 350 to get that. If Detroit wants Correa they have to have minimum 9/315 in their pocket AND wait late in the market to present it. Like spring training is starting next week late. Too early and Boras will shop it for better and get better. Having Baez allows us to wait in the blind and strike late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 6, 2022 Author Share Posted November 6, 2022 36 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: Last years free agency for Correa was messed up with the shutdown. He wanted 10 / 350 to beat Linder as the board has noted. He got 35 to defer to another year so he’s still looking for the remaining 9/ 315 and will probably start with 10/ 350 to get that. If Detroit wants Correa they have to have minimum 9/315 in their pocket AND wait late in the market to present it. Like spring training is starting next week late. Too early and Boras will shop it for better and get better. Having Baez allows us to wait in the blind and strike late. To secure Correa at 9/315 would require at minimum that no other team offer him nine years. It would also probably have to include multiple outs in the first three years. Any contender matches us on years, though, and we won’t stand a chance in any case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said: Last years free agency for Correa was messed up with the shutdown. He wanted 10 / 350 to beat Linder as the board has noted. He got 35 to defer to another year so he’s still looking for the remaining 9/ 315 and will probably start with 10/ 350 to get that. If Detroit wants Correa they have to have minimum 9/315 in their pocket AND wait late in the market to present it. Like spring training is starting next week late. Too early and Boras will shop it for better and get better. Having Baez allows us to wait in the blind and strike late. what makes teams anymore likely to an offer this year that no-one made last year? Not a snide question, but seriously - something would have to be different for the outcome to be different? Maybe that Correa played a full season. OTOH, it can't help his case that the team that wouldn't pay him just won a WS with his rookie replacement. Edited November 6, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, chasfh said: Because more than 5 years is worth…more security. OK I think I have it now. He quit playing for a dynasty because he wanted more security. But that doesn't mean more money. Correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) And the REAL off season begins in 34 minutes....................I want to major free agents by Monday ! Edited November 6, 2022 by Motor City Sonics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 I don’t think Correa’s market will be much better, unless one of the Dodgers, Red Sox or Braves decide he is a better option than their own impending free agent SS. Cubs could be a wild card, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: And the REAL off season begins in 34 minutes....................I want to major free agents by Monday ! Shades of Dean Palmer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: what makes teams anymore likely to an offer this year that no-one made last year? Not a snide question, but seriously - something would have to be different for the outcome to be different? Maybe that Correa played a full season. OTOH, it can't help his case that the team that wouldn't pay him just won a WS with his rookie replacement. It's a fair question, considering that he is a year older. "Full season" is generous I think. Your 27 year old marquee player should play 150 games, and 136 means missing that objective by 10%, with 50 fewer PA's than the year before. I think that the Twins deal will be harder to find now. What a horrible call by Boras in hindsight, giving up a World Series championship to play for the freaking Twins and chase a contract that exists mostly in his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Shades of Dean Palmer! Every once in awhile I see the Tiger T-Shirt with Palmer 16 on the back. He never wore it here. They retired it before he played his first game with the Tigers. That's a pretty old shirt now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: what makes teams anymore likely to an offer this year that no-one made last year? Not a snide question, but seriously - something would have to be different for the outcome to be different? Maybe that Correa played a full season. OTOH, it can't help his case that the team that wouldn't pay him just won a WS with his rookie replacement. I think last years negotiating period being shorter his market didn't have the time to build momentum like it can this year but that could be meaningless and you make a great point with Houston winning without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 hours ago, chasfh said: To secure Correa at 9/315 would require at minimum that no other team offer him nine years. It would also probably have to include multiple outs in the first three years. Any contender matches us on years, though, and we won’t stand a chance in any case. True we would have to be the last chair in musical chairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 So 5 days from now the market is open ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 I think that Correa will be remembered as the greatest f-up of Boras' career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 New GM on the way? One with a brand new world series ring perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 A Tigers offer to Correa: 8 years and $280 Mill. Who says no? (Ilitch or Correa (or Boras?)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 7 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: what makes teams anymore likely to an offer this year that no-one made last year? Not a snide question, but seriously - something would have to be different for the outcome to be different? Maybe that Correa played a full season. OTOH, it can't help his case that the team that wouldn't pay him just won a WS with his rookie replacement. There are teams included in rumors and rumblings this year, such as the Dodgers, Cubs, Mariners, and Orioles (it makes more sense than you think!), who were not players for Correa last offseason. That's for starters. There will be competition for his services... and just as the fact that people "assume" the other shortstops not named Correa will resign and that assumption may not hold, one shouldn't assume there won't be a market for Correa as well. I know that it will be an unsatisfactory answer, but it looks like a pipe dream to me for this team in this situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 8 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: And the REAL off season begins in 34 minutes....................I want to major free agents by Monday ! Teams have exclusive windows with departing free agents for five days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 6, 2022 Author Share Posted November 6, 2022 10 hours ago, Jim Cowan said: OK I think I have it now. He quit playing for a dynasty because he wanted more security. But that doesn't mean more money. Correct? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 6, 2022 Author Share Posted November 6, 2022 10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: what makes teams anymore likely to an offer this year that no-one made last year? Not a snide question, but seriously - something would have to be different for the outcome to be different? Maybe that Correa played a full season. OTOH, it can't help his case that the team that wouldn't pay him just won a WS with his rookie replacement. How would the Houston Astros, arguably the greatest developmental franchise in the history of baseball, with their ability to switch out Hall-of-Fame-track players with suitable replacements, make someone like Correa less valuable to other teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 6, 2022 Author Share Posted November 6, 2022 10 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: And the REAL off season begins in 34 minutes....................I want to major free agents by Monday ! Thursday—five days after the end of the Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, chasfh said: How would the Houston Astros, arguably the greatest developmental franchise in the history of baseball, with their ability to switch out Hall-of-Fame-track players with suitable replacements, make someone like Correa less valuable to other teams? It's the model. Owners are strongly copy-cat to what is currently producing winners. Houston's success is an example of letting guys walk/not over paying and still winning. Also interesting that on balance on the the board, Avila's obsession with building through pitching seems in disrepute, but again, Houston is a strongly pitching first franchise. That doesn't absolve Avila for not doing a very good job, but it's alway important to keep the evalution of strategy and execution in their separate lanes. Edited November 6, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 6, 2022 Author Share Posted November 6, 2022 3 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: A Tigers offer to Correa: 8 years and $280 Mill. Who says no? (Ilitch or Correa (or Boras?)) I think eight years is a borderline length, and $35MM is a borderline AAV. I think Correa would rather do a 1/35+ for another year, since he’s only 28 next year, and take another crack next year. An eight-year deal this year ends after his age 35 season. I think he’ll want something that takes him deeper into his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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