Useful Idiot Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 And let's not forget "We need to control the strike zone"...he really pulled the Excalibur sword out of the stone with that one. I'll bet Jim Campbell sat up in his grave with THAT revelation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, chasfh said: He'll probably get there eventually but I would guess that for the first year, Harris is going to be point man on a lot of decisions, including relatively minor player moves, so that he explicitly establishes both the change in culture and the benchmarks by which subsequent hires will be expected to hew to. What information is he using to make that final call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Useful Idiot said: Well, lets see...he's used "We need to add right handed bats in the outfield" as his rationale for letting Reyes go, and has at the same time insisted we need to add left handed bats to the infield as his excuse for getting rid of Candy. I'd like to think if we have a worthy leader he'll be at least smart enough to organize his agenda sufficiently into a cohesive whole before sputtering half baked imperatives. He's not on any fast track towards impressing me, thus far. If one is going to lie, they at least need to lie well. I realize that is a tad harsh, but still fitting. "We need to add right-handed OF" is a lot more political than saying "Victor Reyes is sub-replacement level and we don't want to use a 40-man spot on him." Over-parsing the few media availabilities and judging based on three weeks of the offseason, the three weeks that are most often used for pruning, is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Edman85 said: "We need to add right-handed OF" is a lot more political than saying "Victor Reyes is sub-replacement level and we don't want to use a 40-man spot on him." Over-parsing the few media availabilities and judging based on three weeks of the offseason, the three weeks that are most often used for pruning, is ridiculous. Ridiculous for YOU, perhaps. Please don't underestimate me. Akil Baddoo is a sub replacement level, left hand batting outfielder, too. So why is he still around? Cheap and controllable much? And THAT, in a nutshell, is it. This organization is not making any progress. We are still basing our decisions on money, more than any more meaningful criteria. Same ol' same ol' Edited November 26, 2022 by Useful Idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Baddoo is still around because he had a 340 OBP the last two months of the season is one of the few baserunners that pressures the other team. Baddoo's good luck is that you might be able to teach him to be a more adequate fielder, which is currently is not, but you can't teach slow guys to run fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Just now, gehringer_2 said: Baddoo is one of the few baserunners that pressures the other team. Baddoo's good luck is that you might be able to teach him to be a more adequate fielder, which is currently is not, but you can't teach slow guys to run fast. He was caught stealing 40% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Useful Idiot said: LOL, King 84 has spoken!! SORRY 84, I'm not conceding expectations just because the house of Chrissy is in disarray. Organizations that win on the cheap happen, but are flukes. Top talent earns top dollar for a reason. So long as they have you "on board" with this dime store mentality that we can emulate the 2015 Royals, they own you. Free your mind...etc. No dime store mentality... I said this even before Avila was fired: They need 1 year to heal themselves. ONLY one year. This is not a 5-year plan. They need to fix the broken parts of the Tigers system (hitting coaches, developmental flaws, drafting criteria, proper analytics and proper use of analytics, etc...). They need to fix their health issues. They need to fix their broken pitchers. They need to fix their broken prospects. They need to broom out dead weight and/ or non-productive aging players. Etc. I'm implying one season only: 2023. After that point, I expect there should be an organizational understanding of their pitcher's health, the 2nd year adjustment of Eduardo, Meadows & Baez to their new organization, Kerry Carpenter's real/ not real status, Cabrera riding off into the sunset, Tork! is fixed or not fixed, all of Harris's organizational fixes to start showing effectiveness (especially hitting and health management fixes), known or at least reasonable expectations for what players may be able to provide in 2024 (including all of their pitchers, Tork! and Greene, Jake Rogers, Baez, Kerry Carpenter (real/ not real) and Meadows (back ob track/ fallen off the track), some of the other players that they are sifting through for other positions, and their top rookies close to MLB such as Olson, Wenceel, Dingler, Parker, maybe a couple others). It's just where the Org is at this year. This has nothing to do with some imagined 5-10 year plan that you think Chris/ Harris/ myself are planning... No. It's just reality. From now until offseason 2023-24: I expect Harris to make a boatload of transactions (all types) to move this team forward from today. But it won't necessarily be linear and it may look like they are doing just as you fear: throwing a lot of cheap controllable players out there. But that does NOT necessarily mean they are going backwards... It means they are EVALUATING (in my opinion only... or maybe a few others also believe the same...?) what they have/ don't have/ can fix/ still needs fixing over the 2023 season. "Real money" I don't believe will ve spent until offseason 2023-24. Again, that does NOT mean it's a 5-year plan... It's JUST ONE year. IMO. Edited November 26, 2022 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Let's face it, that .340 obp has VERY LITTLE to do with Baddoo remaining on the roster. He's still with us because he's "young and dumb". And by "dumb" I'm not meaning that as a slight against his intellect, I'm just using the expression as a metaphor for "not having sufficient service time to command a payday" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: They need 1 year to heal themselves. What did they "heal" by getting rid of Hittin Harold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Useful Idiot said: What did they "heal" by getting rid of Hittin Harold? A subpar player squatting on a 40-man spot with zero chance he has any learning curve left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 B-b-b-but he was a left hand hitting infielder that Zeus Harris insists we need more of, and his career era was lower than half our pitching staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Out with the old, in with the new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, Useful Idiot said: B-b-b-but he was a left hand hitting infielder that Zeus Harris insists we need more of, and his career era was lower than half our pitching staff Now you're just trolling, Not very useful here 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Just now, CMRivdogs said: Now you're just trolling, Not very useful here It was point specific sarcasm. I've been targeted with enough diminutive that I feel entitled to serve 'em back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 The expanded base size could play into Badoo's favor next year as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Now you're just trolling, OHHH!! The evil "T" word. I guess I've really been had? lol News for you, over half the members here are "trolls", they just happen to be regulars . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Edman85 said: What information is he using to make that final call? I'm not sure what you're trying to lead me to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 47 minutes ago, Useful Idiot said: It was point specific sarcasm. I've been targeted with enough diminutive that I feel entitled to serve 'em back Need a bit more zing on your serves. Now you're just lobbing them up there like an aging Bobby Riggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 I think it would be funny if either Reyes or one of the Castros pulled a "Cameron Maybin" and latched a free ride to the world series with another team. It's astounding how many former Tigers have gotten World Series rings elsewhere since we became focused on our "future"....even Anibal and 'Nando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackPine Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 5 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: the problem is you probably don't get anyone that has had success (at least recently) on a one year deal, which is why I'm guess they may have to settle for something more along the lines of a reclamation project. Of course if Harris isn't very high in Mize long term, then sure, I suppose we could see a bigger signing. A reclamation project with a history of durability would probably be about as good as it gets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Useful Idiot said: OHHH!! The evil "T" word. I guess I've really been had? lol News for you, over half the members here are "trolls", they just happen to be regulars . It's not even good trolling. No one could disagree with anything because it's just goofy nonsense. Any debate would be futile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Longgone said: It's not even good trolling. No one could disagree with anything because it's just goofy nonsense. Any debate would be futile. I've often felt the very same way about criticism here directed at me by others. They disagree, but finding themselves incapable of meaningful rebuttal, they descend into petty insults and that silly little "monkey cage" game that is so popular here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Useful Idiot said: Ridiculous for YOU, perhaps. Please don't underestimate me. Replacement level at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 That should get you quite a few votes from the monkey cage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Useful Idiot said: That should get you quite a few votes from the monkey cage. Your cage mates are going to vote for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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