2022-23 Detroit Tigers Offseason Thread

[gehringer_2]

24 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

He was pitching in relief though.  Can he sustain the velocity two times through the order?  

He may be pitching in relief for us. My stab at the most likely top 5 starters going into ST would be ERod, Brieske, Manning, Turnbull and Wentz.

[casimir]

55 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Very uninspiring signing. What month are you all picking in the Matt Boyd IL pool?  

The Tigers could use some playoff experience in the rotation.

[Tiger337]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

He may be pitching in relief for us. My stab at the most likely top 5 starters going into ST would be ERod, Brieske, Manning, Turnbull and Wentz.

10 million is a lot for a relief pitcher.  I think he will be starting.

[chasfh]

11 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

The devil we know.  

Meet the new boss … 😉

[chasfh]

12 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

He may be pitching in relief for us. My stab at the most likely top 5 starters going into ST would be ERod, Brieske, Manning, Turnbull and Wentz.

If Brieske is our #2, then kill me now

[SoCalTiger]

Happy to have Boyd back. Now he can work with Fetter and I also think he will be starting. I remember Hinch saying Breiske's stuff would play well out of the pen and after trading much of the current bullpen arms away he will be needed. Boyd is a good fill in as we wait for Skull and Mize to return. We added him for less than what we saved on the arbitration guys we let go. Much better value. Solid move.

 

[gehringer_2]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

If Brieske is our #2, then kill me now

I didn't mean them in any particular order, but I thought Brieske pitched pretty well in his last month of starts. Of course he may not stay healthy either.....

[casimir]

Kenny Rogers 2.0?

[gehringer_2]

5 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

Happy to have Boyd back. Now he can work with Fetter and I also think he will be starting. I remember Hinch saying Breiske's stuff would play well out of the pen and after trading much of the current bullpen arms away he will be needed. Boyd is a good fill in as we wait for Skull and Mize to return. We added him for less than what we saved on the arbitration guys we let go. Much better value. Solid move.

 

Flexor rehab apparently is pretty variable - might be no firm date for Skubal.

[JackPine]

Seems like too high of a base pay but otherwise fine move. Hopefully he can stay healthy and eat some innings at the back of the rotation. I'll be more ok with the move if they sign another reclamation SP to increase the odds one works out

[Tiger337]

Boyd has a new changeup.  How many days until spring training?  

 

 

[Longgone]

1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

I wouldve rather took a flyer on Clevinger at 12 like the Sox did than Boyd at 10. Of course the Tigers may have tried and he just preferred Chicago instead. 

Clevinger's stuff has fallen off.

[Shinzaki]

2 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Reminds me of the time the left-handed throwing guy on the softball team I was captaining who didn't know much about baseball whined about me not playing him at shortstop...

When I coached softball...I played a LH 3rd baseman because he was the only guy left who could actually field a ground ball...I figured I'd sacrifice a few IF singles to stop automatic 2b's

[chasfh]

58 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Boyd has a new changeup.  How many days until spring training?  

 

 

Follow-up tweet: 

 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

I didn't mean them in any particular order, but I thought Brieske pitched pretty well in his last month of starts. Of course he may not stay healthy either.....

Did he? The topline numbers look OK, but he was still a bit ragged under the hood. Low strikeouts, low BABIP, high LD rate, more pull. I simply don’t see how he fit into Harris’s control the plate dictum.

[gehringer_2]

23 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Did he? The topline numbers look OK, but he was still a bit ragged under the hood. Low strikeouts, low BABIP, high LD rate, more pull. I simply don’t see how he fit into Harris’s control the plate dictum.

I don't put too much emphasis in a rookie pitcher's K rate. As often as not young pitchers increase their K rates as they learn how to use their stuff better. Even JV didn't know how to K guys his 1st year. Brieske had good K rates coming up through the system. He's either already hit his limit at MLB or not, and that capability may or may not begin to express itself again with experience. For me, if rookie that comes up and manages to fight his way through MLB batting orders in his 1st season without getting hammered as soon as there is some tape out about him has shown something just to do that.  I think there is enough potential with Beau where the best strategy is let it play out and see where he gets.

Edited December 1, 2022 by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I don't put too much emphasis in a rookie pitcher's K rate. As often as not young pitchers increase their K rates as they learn how to use their stuff better. Even JV didn't know how to K guys his 1st year. Brieske had good K rates coming up through the system. He's either already hit his limit at MLB or not, and that capability may or may not begin to express itself again with experience. For me, if rookie that comes up and manages to fight his way through MLB batting orders without getting hammered as soon as there is some tape out about him has shown something just to do that.  I think there is enough potential with Beau where the best strategy is let it play out and see where he gets.

I will say this: he does have slightly above average velocity and well-above average spin. Maybe that's what kept his head off the chopping block. maybe the new team coming in thinks they can do something with that.

[RatkoVarda]

4 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Very uninspiring signing. What month are you all picking in the Matt Boyd IL pool?  

yeah, the first player he brings in is a re-tread from some of the darkest recent days.

but this is twice now that he has targeted Boyd, so maybe he sees something?

[Tiger337]

19 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

yeah, the first player he brings in is a re-tread from some of the darkest recent days.

but this is twice now that he has targeted Boyd, so maybe he sees something?

It looks like an Avila move, but yeah we can only hope that he's smarter than Avila.  

[Longgone]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Did he? The topline numbers look OK, but he was still a bit ragged under the hood. Low strikeouts, low BABIP, high LD rate, more pull. I simply don’t see how he fit into Harris’s control the plate dictum.

He is ascending, not a finished product.

[CaliforniaDreaming]

I like the move and am happy to have Boyd back for the year.  He fills a hole...is a leader and good influence for the young pitchers he already knows...could be a decent starter.  I'm also glad someone else paid 5+ million for his recovery year.

[chasfh]

36 minutes ago, Longgone said:

He is ascending, not a finished product.

I can see that Brieske's not a finished product, although I don't see any ascending going on just yet. He's pretty much at the bottom and although there is certainly someplace he can go rather than up, up is the only place he can go and still hope to keep a job, at least in North America.

[Longgone]

23 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I can see that Brieske's not a finished product, although I don't see any ascending going on just yet. He's pretty much at the bottom and although there is certainly someplace he can go rather than up, up is the only place he can go and still hope to keep a job, at least in North America.

If you are expecting a young pitcher to show positive results stats, while harnessing his stuff and learning his craft, you are expecting a lot. 

[Edman85]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Follow-up tweet: 

 

That tweet doesn't make sense. There's a year between those pics, but it implies three days.

[Edman85]

Obviously, Harris was one of a committee in San Francisco, but after signing the following on the rebound:

Kevin Gausman

Tyler Alexander

Drew Smyly (check out his 2020)

Trevor Cahill (check out his 2020)

Anthony DeSclafani

Alex Wood

Alex Cobb

Jakob Junis

 

 

He's earned the benefit of the doubt.