sabretooth Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 16 hours ago, oblong said: I have nothing to back this up with but I would say no because the ultimate goal is to protect the overall brand of MLB of which a team is a franchise of. They can make the appropriate business deal for themselves, regarding financing, but MLB has rules and standards that have to be met. I understand rules and regs but if the above applies to every team all of the time that would be a pretty strong strait-jacket. That would imply a lot less flexibility for owners than I had previously thought was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, sabretooth said: I understand rules and regs but if the above applies to every team all of the time that would be a pretty strong strait-jacket. That would imply a lot less flexibility for owners than I had previously thought was the case. I say that because I assume they want to do whatever is needed to prevent any chance of insolvency. It’s not just a bad look for the league but there’s real world implications for their competition. Imagine a scenario where a team is behind on payment to vendors so they stop supplying clean towels. Or a hotel or airplane situation comes up where a team can’t get to KC in time and a game has to be forfeited. Stadium support staff walks out because payroll once again didn’t get met? MLB teams are not trying to put each othe out of business. They are all partners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, oblong said: I say that because I assume they want to do whatever is needed to prevent any chance of insolvency. It’s not just a bad look for the league but there’s real world implications for their competition. Imagine a scenario where a team is behind on payment to vendors so they stop supplying clean towels. Or a hotel or airplane situation comes up where a team can’t get to KC in time and a game has to be forfeited. Stadium support staff walks out because payroll once again didn’t get met? MLB teams are not trying to put each othe out of business. They are all partners. After reading Lords of the Realm a couple years ago, it's pretty clear where these guard rails came from. The Mariners and Orioles had owners in the late 80's go belly up. It was a common thing. Less of an issue now with revenue sharing making that very difficult. Still, we have had some situations like the Rangers under Tom Hicks, McCourt and the Dodgers, and the Wilpons getting Madoff'ed. There are some other things in the section on the Debt Service Rule that ties the league's hand from restricting spending on players. But, let's say the Tigers wanted to go all in and blow through the international slot budget in the 2012-16 range when that was allowed, I think any such deals could have been quashed. Also, that rule has been eased up a bit the past couple years as it is known some teams had reduced cashflow in 2020-21. The commissioner also has some latitude and I don't think they flex often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Edman85 said: After reading Lords of the Realm a couple years ago, it's pretty clear where these guard rails came from. The Mariners and Orioles had owners in the late 80's go belly up. It was a common thing. Less of an issue now with revenue sharing making that very difficult. Still, we have had some situations like the Rangers under Tom Hicks, McCourt and the Dodgers, and the Wilpons getting Madoff'ed. There are some other things in the section on the Debt Service Rule that ties the league's hand from restricting spending on players. But, let's say the Tigers wanted to go all in and blow through the international slot budget in the 2012-16 range when that was allowed, I think any such deals could have been quashed. Also, that rule has been eased up a bit the past couple years as it is known some teams had reduced cashflow in 2020-21. The commissioner also has some latitude and I don't think they flex often. Fascinating, I really had no idea that the MLB front office could pull the team's strings in so many ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 hours ago, oblong said: I say that because I assume they want to do whatever is needed to prevent any chance of insolvency. It’s not just a bad look for the league but there’s real world implications for their competition. Imagine a scenario where a team is behind on payment to vendors so they stop supplying clean towels. Or a hotel or airplane situation comes up where a team can’t get to KC in time and a game has to be forfeited. Stadium support staff walks out because payroll once again didn’t get met? MLB teams are not trying to put each othe out of business. They are all partners. All good points, I guess this explains why teams basically demand a huge amount of public support for stadium projects, they are basically designing a very small financial cage if they try to finance them otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 22, 2022 Author Share Posted October 22, 2022 4 hours ago, sabretooth said: All good points, I guess this explains why teams basically demand a huge amount of public support for stadium projects, they are basically designing a very small financial cage if they try to finance them otherwise. Reads to me as though Baseball has designed it specifically to be that way, to allow teams to plead the small cage theory while they are demanding the money from municipalities, counties, and states. Given that MLB is essentially the sum of its owner parts, it strikes me as a pretty ingenious way to exploit the Sherman clause, essentially colluding to rake taxpayers for our dollars to pay for their vanity stadium projects which, not for nothing, socialize the cost while privatizing the profits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, chasfh said: Reads to me as though Baseball has designed it specifically to be that way, to allow teams to plead the small cage theory while they are demanding the money from municipalities, counties, and states. Given that MLB is essentially the sum of its owner parts, it strikes me as a pretty ingenious way to exploit the Sherman clause, essentially colluding to rake taxpayers for our dollars to pay for their vanity stadium projects which, not for nothing, socialize the cost while privatizing the profits. Absolutely, I didnt mean to imply that owners were unwitting or unwilling in this scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Houston 1 hits the Yankees to take a 3-0 lead in the ALCS. Baker has the luxury of going with a 4 starter rotation in the playoffs. Who can even think about doing that? They ever went 4 deep even back in the day..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, sabretooth said: Absolutely, I didnt mean to imply that owners were unwitting or unwilling in this scheme. Not at all. I was building on what you were saying, not arguing against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Houston 1 hits the Yankees to take a 3-0 lead in the ALCS. Baker has the luxury of going with a 4 starter rotation in the playoffs. Who can even think about doing that? They ever went 4 deep even back in the day..... You probably have to go back to the '70s. Baltimore had 4 20 game winners in 1971. Palmer, Cueller, McNally, and Dobson. They still lost to Pittsburgh in the series. The 1966 Dodgers had Koufax, Drysdale, Osteen and Sutton...and lost to Baltimore in the series. 1972 A's featured Hunter, Holtzman, Blue Moon Odom and Vida Blue.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 Does any team do a five-man rotation in the playoffs? I thought all the off days allowed teams to do four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, chasfh said: Does any team do a five-man rotation in the playoffs? I thought all the off days allowed teams to do four. heck almost all teams cut it back to three. I suppose this season doesn't really count against the norms though because they have cut some of the normal off days in this year's playoffs. Edited October 23, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 11 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: heck almost all teams cut it back to three. I suppose this season doesn't really count against the norms though because they have cut some of the normal off days in this year's playoffs. I thought you were suggesting they normally do a five man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 14 hours ago, chasfh said: Does any team do a five-man rotation in the playoffs? I thought all the off days allowed teams to do four. LOL - I see there is an 'n' missing in the post. Was supposed to read 'never', not 'ever'! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Looking like Philly v Astros in the Series. Or DD/Nick v Verlander. Hitting verses pitching. Houston seems better but Philly seems to be riding the hot streak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 So Harper hits 2 run homer in 8th for lead and eventual winner and series clincher while Hader stand in the bullpen. Bob “Buck” Melvin. Unreal how fixated they are on roles. The whole series was this inning with the teeth of the order up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 You will like this thread. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 9 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: LOL - I see there is an 'n' missing in the post. Was supposed to read 'never', not 'ever'! Never say Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 This is the fifth straight ALCS the Yankees have lost. The last two before tonight’s were by A. J. Hinch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 and Judge makes the last out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 18 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: and Judge makes the last out. Last game as a Yankee? I don’t see how they can sign him with their current payroll. SF Giants next season? If Mr. I were still alive, I would have put the Tigers in the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 30 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Last game as a Yankee? I don’t see how they can sign him with their current payroll. SF Giants next season? If Mr. I were still alive, I would have put the Tigers in the mix. If the Giants want to keep up with LA and now SD then yes Judge is the best place to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Judge will be 31 next season - massive potential for some team to be having serious regrets in 2027, '28, '29... 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 9 hours ago, chasfh said: This is the fifth straight ALCS the Yankees have lost. The last two before tonight’s were by A. J. Hinch. To quote Pedro Martinez (and Bob Costas)....the Astros are the Yankees Daddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 9 hours ago, chasfh said: This is the fifth straight ALCS the Yankees have lost. The last two before tonight’s were by A. J. Hinch. Still.... "This is the fifth time I've been dumped by a Victoria's Secret Angel" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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