Hongbit Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Sean Payton had mentioned it but if the NFL was ever considering a draft lottery this would be the offseason to install it. No matter what, Detroit got a great year to host the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Hongbit said: Sean Payton had mentioned it but if the NFL was ever considering a draft lottery this would be the offseason to install it. No matter what, Detroit got a great year to host the draft. Please no! I do not believe there is an honest lottery in sports, and the NFL is as shady as leagues come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Hongbit said: Sean Payton had mentioned it but if the NFL was ever considering a draft lottery this would be the offseason to install it. No matter what, Detroit got a great year to host the draft. **** NO! Get rid of all lotteries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 i hate lotteries, but if there ever one sport where it made absolutely no sense, its football. even the bears, thr tankiest tank who ever tanked, were very close to winning 5 or 6 games. look at the texans this year. they won the last game on a two point conversion to lose the #1 pick. no lotteries in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, buddha said: i hate lotteries, but if there ever one sport where it made absolutely no sense, its football. even the bears, thr tankiest tank who ever tanked, were very close to winning 5 or 6 games. look at the texans this year. they won the last game on a two point conversion to lose the #1 pick. no lotteries in football. Draft lotteries serve no purpose, and absolutely do not have any effect on their intended function. They were created for the worst of reasons; to address a perception. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 24 minutes ago, Longgone said: Draft lotteries serve no purpose, and absolutely do not have any effect on their intended function. They were created for the worst of reasons; to address a perception. I think they were SOLD to the public as a way to address a perception, but their function is to allow a monopoly to have full control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 16 minutes ago, sagnam said: I think they were SOLD to the public as a way to address a perception, but their function is to allow a monopoly to have full control. The perception was fallacious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 33 minutes ago, Longgone said: The perception was fallacious. what perception do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Longgone said: Draft lotteries serve no purpose, and absolutely do not have any effect on their intended function. They were created for the worst of reasons; to address a perception. I can’t even imagine the shit show that would be going on in both NBA & NHL this season if there were no lotteries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, Hongbit said: I can’t even imagine the shit show that would be going on in both NBA & NHL this season if there were no lotteries The exact same thing that is going on with lotteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Longgone said: The exact same thing that is going on with lotteries. I think it would be even worse. I do agree that it’s not like the lottery is stopping tanking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Hongbit said: I can’t even imagine the shit show that would be going on in both NBA & NHL this season if there were no lotteries What’s the lottery really incentivize? If you are already bad wouldn’t you tank anyway to get the best odds? Seems like that’s exactly what is going on. Except that the NHL and NBA can decide who gets the pick. EDIT: Never mind. Been addressed already. Edited January 12, 2023 by sagnam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Not only that... But it's pointless to even theorize about "tanking" in the NHL and MLB (with no lottery thank Zeus) because it takes so frickin' long for prospects to develop. I at least get the theory in the NBA... But the lottery in the NHL is just completely asinine. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Not only that... But it's pointless to even theorize about "tanking" in the NHL and MLB (with no lottery thank Zeus) because it takes so frickin' long for prospects to develop. Connor Bedard will be immediately play in the NHL and probably be a star from day 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 22 minutes ago, Hongbit said: Connor Bedard will be immediately play in the NHL and probably be a star from day 1. And so the NHL team with the worst record should have 1st chance at drafting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 47 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Not only that... But it's pointless to even theorize about "tanking" in the NHL and MLB (with no lottery thank Zeus) because it takes so frickin' long for prospects to develop. I at least get the theory in the NBA... But the lottery in the NHL is just completely asinine. IMO. MLB started a lottery this year. The Tigers benefited and moved up 3 spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: MLB started a lottery this year. The Tigers benefited and moved up 3 spots. Great. I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. But I still think it is absolutely asinine to have a lottery in the NHL or MLB. Just because one of my teams gets some lottery luck doesn't mean I'm going to go: "Oh WOW. Now I LOVE lotteries!!!" Asinine NHL & MLB lotteries, period. That, or I just hate lotteries in general (I do). Even if the Red Wings luck into the #1 spot and get Bedard... it doesn't change my opinion at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 if you dont think teams in the nhl and nba tank, i direct your attention to the chicago blackhawks this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 There's no point to NHL tanking is my opinion and I'm sticking with it. The NBA? I get it. One transformational player changes the entire trajectory of a team. And if 14 teams are suddenly dumping every single player that gets team a win in order to chase the #1 or a top 3 spot, I get it... it's a mess. But I didn't complain about a lottery in the NBA (I still hate lotteries...), but my complaint was on the NHL and MLB lotteries, FYI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, buddha said: if you dont think teams in the nhl and nba tank, i direct your attention to the chicago blackhawks this year. No matter what you think they are doing, lotteries have no impact on their behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, buddha said: if you dont think teams in the nhl and nba tank, i direct your attention to the chicago blackhawks this year. Also... addressing tanking specifically... I don't care. I mean that... if a team is not successful, then dump veterans, high dollar contracts, and rebuild. You call it tanking, I call it rebuilding. And I don't think rebuilding is a crime like how many treat a "tanking" team, as if it were criminal or something. If a team wants to strip down and try again, do it. It's no skin off my back. And it's a smart play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 i dont really care about tanking, but i do think its a bit of an issue in the nba where a team like okc "rests" their best players for the last month of the last three seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, buddha said: i dont really care about tanking, but i do think its a bit of an issue in the nba where a team like okc "rests" their best players for the last month of the last three seasons. Having a lottery fixed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Longgone said: Having a lottery fixed that. no, but it did prevent them from being rewarded with the #1 pick! again, i dont like lotteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, buddha said: no, but it did prevent them from being rewarded with the #1 pick! again, i dont like lotteries. And give it to someone else who probably acted in a similar way. What's the point if it doesn't change the intended behavior? TLDR, but I had and old business school prof who had a rule that an organization should never punish the many for the transgressions of a few, and if you have to deal with an issue, don't do it obliquely, but directly and specifically and any changes should be based on solid data and analysis, not "perception". Lotteries fly in the face of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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