2023 NFL Draft Thread

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

this is very different from tarkenton.

ok

[buddha]

11 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

ok

the vikings 1970s offense was not built on tarketon running run/pass options.  it was built on handing the ball to foreman and throwing downfield.  tarketon was a scrambler.  so was staubach.  but it wasnt like offense today.

[buddha]

for example: the most rushing attempts fran tarkenton ever had was 41 in one season.  he averaged about 20 a season.

jalen hurts had 165 last season.

even playing 5 or 6 more games a year thats a massive difference.

[gehringer_2]

36 minutes ago, buddha said:

for example: the most rushing attempts fran tarkenton ever had was 41 in one season.  he averaged about 20 a season.

jalen hurts had 165 last season.

even playing 5 or 6 more games a year thats a massive difference.

that's true but my point is that there has *always* been an allure that you could put a QB back their that is dual threat. And you can - guys like Michaell Vick have been the passing fancy (pun intended), but in the end the concept always eventually founders on the increased injury probability. A QB is too valuable to put at risk as a RB on a regular basis. So I will predict that the current allure of Mahomes and Hurts will sooner or later founder on the same injury probability rearing it's ugly head.

[Shinzaki]

This Fran Tarkenton talk reminds me of the days when Justin Fields was Bobby Douglass

[MichiganCardinal]

Trade heavy and would set an NFL draft record for QBs, but I'm sticking to my guns RE Lions.

My Mock Draft 2.2

1. Tennessee Titans (Trade w/ CHI): CJ Stroud, QB, Ohio State

2. Houston Texans: Bryce Young, QB, Alabama

3. Indianapolis Colts (Trade w/ ARI): Will Levis, QB, Kentucky

4. Arizona Cardinals (Trade w/ IND): Tyree Wilson, EDGE, Texas Tech

5. Carolina Panthers (Trade w/ SEA from DEN): Anthony Richardson, QB, Florida

6. Detroit Lions (from LAR): Will Anderson, EDGE, Alabama

7. Las Vegas Raiders: Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia

8. Atlanta Falcons: Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State

9. Seattle Seahawks (Trade w/ CAR): Myles Murphy, EDGE, Clemson

10. Philadelphia Eagles: Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois

11. Chicago Bears (Trade w/ CHI): Peter Skoronski, OT, Northwestern

12. Houston Texans (from CLE): Quentin Johnston, WR, TCU

13. New York Jets: Paris Johnson, OT, Ohio State

14. New England Patriots: Tyler Steen, OT, Alabama

15. Green Bay Packers: Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon

16. Washington Commanders: Brian Branch, DB, Alabama

17. Pittsburgh Steelers: O’Cyrus Torrence, OG, Florida

18. Detroit Lions: Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland

20. Seattle Seahawks: Mazi Smith, DT, Michigan

21. Los Angeles Chargers: Cam Smith, CB, South Carolina

22. Baltimore Ravens: Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State

23. Minnesota Vikings: Lukas Van Ness, EDGE, Iowa

24. Jacksonville Jaguars: Trenton Simpson, LB, Clemson

25. New York Giants: Jordan Addison, WR, USC

26. Dallas Cowboys: Cedric Tillman, WR, Tennessee

27. Buffalo Bills: Josh Downs, WR, North Carolina

28. Cincinnati Bengals: Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame

29. New Orleans Saints (from DEN thru SF): Isaiah Foskey, EDGE, Notre Dame

30. Philadelphia Eagles: Tuli Tuipuloto, EDGE, USC

31. Kansas City Chiefs: Will McDonald, EDGE, Iowa State

 

Lions

2.18 - Antonio Johnson, DB, Texas A&M

2.26 - Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia

3.18 - Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa

5.18 - Nick Broeker, OG, Ole Miss

6.5 (from DEN) - Jake Moody, K, Michigan

6.18 - Rashad Torrence, DB, Florida

[Motor City Sonics]

Looking at an NFL Mock Draft for 2024.     They have the Lions picking 31st (and not from a trade).   WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL !!!!!!!!!!!  (and losing to the Bengals).  

[MichiganCardinal]

28 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Looking at an NFL Mock Draft for 2024.     They have the Lions picking 31st (and not from a trade).   WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL !!!!!!!!!!!  (and losing to the Bengals).  

Would it even be worth shortening draft season to just two months if we don’t even win it??

[buddha]

3 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Trade heavy and would set an NFL draft record for QBs, but I'm sticking to my guns RE Lions.

My Mock Draft 2.2

1. Tennessee Titans (Trade w/ CHI): CJ Stroud, QB, Ohio State

2. Houston Texans: Bryce Young, QB, Alabama

3. Indianapolis Colts (Trade w/ ARI): Will Levis, QB, Kentucky

4. Arizona Cardinals (Trade w/ IND): Tyree Wilson, EDGE, Texas Tech

5. Carolina Panthers (Trade w/ SEA from DEN): Anthony Richardson, QB, Florida

6. Detroit Lions (from LAR): Will Anderson, EDGE, Alabama

7. Las Vegas Raiders: Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia

8. Atlanta Falcons: Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State

9. Seattle Seahawks (Trade w/ CAR): Myles Murphy, EDGE, Clemson

10. Philadelphia Eagles: Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois

11. Chicago Bears (Trade w/ CHI): Peter Skoronski, OT, Northwestern

12. Houston Texans (from CLE): Quentin Johnston, WR, TCU

13. New York Jets: Paris Johnson, OT, Ohio State

14. New England Patriots: Tyler Steen, OT, Alabama

15. Green Bay Packers: Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon

16. Washington Commanders: Brian Branch, DB, Alabama

17. Pittsburgh Steelers: O’Cyrus Torrence, OG, Florida

18. Detroit Lions: Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland

20. Seattle Seahawks: Mazi Smith, DT, Michigan

21. Los Angeles Chargers: Cam Smith, CB, South Carolina

22. Baltimore Ravens: Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State

23. Minnesota Vikings: Lukas Van Ness, EDGE, Iowa

24. Jacksonville Jaguars: Trenton Simpson, LB, Clemson

25. New York Giants: Jordan Addison, WR, USC

26. Dallas Cowboys: Cedric Tillman, WR, Tennessee

27. Buffalo Bills: Josh Downs, WR, North Carolina

28. Cincinnati Bengals: Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame

29. New Orleans Saints (from DEN thru SF): Isaiah Foskey, EDGE, Notre Dame

30. Philadelphia Eagles: Tuli Tuipuloto, EDGE, USC

31. Kansas City Chiefs: Will McDonald, EDGE, Iowa State

 

Lions

2.18 - Antonio Johnson, DB, Texas A&M

2.26 - Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia

3.18 - Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa

5.18 - Nick Broeker, OG, Ole Miss

6.5 (from DEN) - Jake Moody, K, Michigan

6.18 - Rashad Torrence, DB, Florida

lots of wishful thinking in there.  what does tennessee give up to go all the way to number one?  four first round picks?

[MichiganCardinal]

Just now, buddha said:

lots of wishful thinking in there.  what does tennessee give up to go all the way to number one?  four first round picks?

I don’t think it takes four. I’m not sure it even takes three unless it turns into a bidding war. I think it takes similar to what LA gave up to go 15 to 1 for Goff, which was two 1sts, two 2nds, and two 3rds.

[1984Echoes]

6 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Trade heavy and would set an NFL draft record for QBs, but I'm sticking to my guns RE Lions.

My Mock Draft 2.2

1. Tennessee Titans (Trade w/ CHI): CJ Stroud, QB, Ohio State

2. Houston Texans: Bryce Young, QB, Alabama

3. Indianapolis Colts (Trade w/ ARI): Will Levis, QB, Kentucky

4. Arizona Cardinals (Trade w/ IND): Tyree Wilson, EDGE, Texas Tech

5. Carolina Panthers (Trade w/ SEA from DEN): Anthony Richardson, QB, Florida

6. Detroit Lions (from LAR): Will Anderson, EDGE, Alabama

7. Las Vegas Raiders: Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia

8. Atlanta Falcons: Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State

9. Seattle Seahawks (Trade w/ CAR): Myles Murphy, EDGE, Clemson

10. Philadelphia Eagles: Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois

11. Chicago Bears (Trade w/ CHI): Peter Skoronski, OT, Northwestern

12. Houston Texans (from CLE): Quentin Johnston, WR, TCU

13. New York Jets: Paris Johnson, OT, Ohio State

14. New England Patriots: Tyler Steen, OT, Alabama

15. Green Bay Packers: Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon

16. Washington Commanders: Brian Branch, DB, Alabama

17. Pittsburgh Steelers: O’Cyrus Torrence, OG, Florida

18. Detroit Lions: Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland

20. Seattle Seahawks: Mazi Smith, DT, Michigan

21. Los Angeles Chargers: Cam Smith, CB, South Carolina

22. Baltimore Ravens: Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State

23. Minnesota Vikings: Lukas Van Ness, EDGE, Iowa

24. Jacksonville Jaguars: Trenton Simpson, LB, Clemson

25. New York Giants: Jordan Addison, WR, USC

26. Dallas Cowboys: Cedric Tillman, WR, Tennessee

27. Buffalo Bills: Josh Downs, WR, North Carolina

28. Cincinnati Bengals: Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame

29. New Orleans Saints (from DEN thru SF): Isaiah Foskey, EDGE, Notre Dame

30. Philadelphia Eagles: Tuli Tuipuloto, EDGE, USC

31. Kansas City Chiefs: Will McDonald, EDGE, Iowa State

 

Lions

2.18 - Antonio Johnson, DB, Texas A&M

2.26 - Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia

3.18 - Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa

5.18 - Nick Broeker, OG, Ole Miss

6.5 (from DEN) - Jake Moody, K, Michigan

6.18 - Rashad Torrence, DB, Florida

Just my opinion but...

I think if the Lions are afforded the choice between Carter and Anderson...

They'll choose Carter first, not Anderson.

 

[MichiganCardinal]

54 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Just my opinion but...

I think if the Lions are afforded the choice between Carter and Anderson...

They'll choose Carter first, not Anderson.

 

I see the reasoning, and I think they could. Ultimately though, I think Anderson is better, and Carter’s character issues would keep them away. I also think it’s noteworthy that while Carter is good, it doesn’t seem like he’s graded as a Ndamukong Suh or Quinnen Williams once-in-a-generation type of DT. Anderson might be, if his 2021 production translates to the NFL.

It would be a good problem to have, hopefully they would choose right.

[gehringer_2]

29 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I think Anderson is better, and Carter’s character issues would keep them away.

yeah - Sheila Ford may be proving she is not WCF but I would still think that given the team's close association with the blue oval, as an org the Lion's remain more character issue sensitive than the average franchise. And I think having people like  Chris Speilman in the inner circle only reinforces the Ford family's predisposition.

Edited February 27, 2023 by gehringer_2

[RedRamage]

12 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Looking at an NFL Mock Draft for 2024.     They have the Lions picking 31st (and not from a trade).   WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL !!!!!!!!!!!  (and losing to the Bengals).  

I honestly couldn't be upset with a Lions team that makes it to the super bowl and loses.  Obviously I want them to win, but even just getting to the SB means they've tripled their playoff win total in the SB era.

[Motor City Sonics]

44 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

I honestly couldn't be upset with a Lions team that makes it to the super bowl and loses.  Obviously I want them to win, but even just getting to the SB means they've tripled their playoff win total in the SB era.

Winning a single playoff game would be awesome after 33 years.      

Of all the franchises that were around for the first Super Bowl, the Lions are the only one not to ever appear in a Super Bowl.    I don't count the Browns because that Browns franchise became the Ravens, who have been to several.  

[RandyMarsh]

Im sure I would be upset at the time but by the next day I would look back and be happy that they atleast won 1 playoff game. 

It was the same way for me with UM in 21/22, I was disappointed we got crushed in the semis but after the original disappointment I was happy to just be there and beat OSU.

I imagine Id feel the same with the Lions except would be even more excited about just getting there.

[RedRamage]

33 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Winning a single playoff game would be awesome after 33 years.      

Of all the franchises that were around for the first Super Bowl, the Lions are the only one not to ever appear in a Super Bowl.    I don't count the Browns because that Browns franchise became the Ravens, who have been to several.  

I disagree on the Browns, but that's probably mostly so I feel better about being a Lions fan.  I also think it's fitting that the last time the Lions and Browns were both really good they were often competing against each other in the 50s for the league championship.

 

[KL2]

9 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

yeah - Sheila Ford may be proving she is not WCF but I would still think that given the team's close association with the blue oval, as an org the Lion's remain more character issue sensitive than the average franchise. And I think having people like  Chris Speilman in the inner circle only reinforces the Ford family's predisposition.

WHat character issues? 

That was something Todd McShay made up with no proof, nobody has confirme and seems to be completely false. 

[RedRamage]

Just now, KL2 said:

WHat character issues? 

That was something Todd McShay made up with no proof, nobody has confirme and seems to be completely false. 

I'd be interested in this as well.

[Motor City Sonics]

37 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

I disagree on the Browns, but that's probably mostly so I feel better about being a Lions fan.  I also think it's fitting that the last time the Lions and Browns were both really good they were often competing against each other in the 50s for the league championship.

 

But you can't really say the  Browns because they went away for 4 years.    And in those 4 years the team that was the Browns got really good (just more sports heartbreak for Cleveland).    So if you want to count the Browns, you can't say teams that have been around SINCE the first Super Bowl, since they weren't always around since then.....making the Lions the one and only.      It would be more accurate to say the Lions and Browns fanbases have never been to the game, but not the teams themselves.  

[Hongbit]

it’s not like he provided a gun for a murder.  Hell, even that isn’t a character issue anymore for some people.  

[Motor City Sonics]

7 minutes ago, KL2 said:

WHat character issues? 

That was something Todd McShay made up with no proof, nobody has confirme and seems to be completely false. 

I do think the Lions tend to stay away from bad character guys more than most teams.   Suh was kind of an exception and of course the most dangerous draft bust of all time, Reggie Rogers, who had lots of issues and wound up killing 3 kids here.    I think what Reggie Rogers did probably has a lot to do with this team avoiding bad guys.  

[Motor City Sonics]

2 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

it’s not like he provided a gun for a murder.  Hell, even that isn’t a character issue anymore for some people.  

Not until the tournament's over anyway. 

[Motown Bombers]

Not sure how reliable this is. 

 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

2 hours ago, RedRamage said:

I honestly couldn't be upset with a Lions team that makes it to the super bowl and loses.  Obviously I want them to win, but even just getting to the SB means they've tripled their playoff win total in the SB era.

I don't think there is a soul in this city and fanbase that would be upset if they made the Super Bowl and lost.