2023 NFL Draft Thread

[djhutch]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

I don't buy you can't draft a RB because their careers are short. Todd Gurley had a short career, even by RB standards but I doubt the Rams regret using their 10th pick on him. If you can get an elite player for 5 years I think I take that. Roster turnover happens so much in the NFL. This team will likely look a lot different in 5 years. 

I ran across an article that breaks career length down this way, by position:  Link

• Kickers/Punters — 4.87
• Quarterbacks — 4.44
• Offensive Linemen — 3.63
• Defensive Linemen — 3.24
• Linebackers — 2.97
• Cornerbacks — 2.94
• Tight Ends — 2.85
• Wide Receivers — 2.81
• Running Backs — 2.57

Granted RBs are lowest, but even punters don't average 5 years.  I think you gotta pick talent first, & I think both you & Buddha agree on that.  If you keep picking the best talent, you'll give yourself a better chance at building a winning franchise, not just for the next season. 

[RandyMarsh]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

I think Brees is a good comp to Goff. Brees didn't have elite arm talent or was the most mobile. he was, however, one of if the most accurate passer of all time. People forget that Saints offense was very good at running the ball and wasn't exactly a downfield type offense. Strong running game and efficient intermediate passing is Goff's wheelhouse. I see a lot of that in the Lions offense last year. 

Brees also was great at moving around in the pocket to create throwing lanes and avoid sacks which is something I think Goff excels in as well. Despite always being one of the more pass happy teams Brees was almost always sacked less than 25 times a year which is a really low number, his pocket awareness was a major reason why. 

[Shinzaki]

If Stroud is there at 6...I have zero issues with taking him

 

Brees had to move around to create throwing lanes because he's basically a midget

Edited April 19, 2023 by Shinzaki

[RandyMarsh]

If they do take Stroud I'd try to trade Goff immediately cause he is the one QB in the class that I feel could step in right away and be solid. No point in wasting a year having him be a backup on top of Goff being 1 year closer to FA when you try to trade him.

[buddha]

7 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

If they do take Stroud I'd try to trade Goff immediately cause he is the one QB in the class that I feel could step in right away and be solid. No point in wasting a year having him be a backup on top of Goff being 1 year closer to FA when you try to trade him.

why?  stroud isnt ready to start now most likely.

fyi, newest pff mock, lol:

 

[RandyMarsh]

27 minutes ago, buddha said:

why?  stroud isnt ready to start now most likely.

fyi, newest pff mock, lol:

 

I don't see why he isn't, he's excelled for 2 years at a big time program, played in big time games against big time opponents. I think he is as ready to start from day 1 as any rookie QB in recent memory especially given the supporting cast and coaching on the Lions. 

BTW I'm not advocating to draft Stroud just cause I think he is ready to play right away cause even though I think he is ready to play right away that doesn't mean he is a sure thing like we have now. He could struggle, I just think he is the type of guy that doesn't need seasoning and isn't going to gain a ton by sitting for a year. I rather throw him into the fire and see what he has then have him ride the pine for a year cause if Goff excels again you run into the possibility of having a Jordan Love or Trey Lance situation where you don't want to get rid of the QB you have cause you are winning and successful meanwhile your "future qb" is just wasting his cheap years holding a clipboard. 

Edited April 19, 2023 by RandyMarsh

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

that's not the best way to draft, imo.  you need to think about the future and build a solid base of talent.  

im not advocating drafting a qb, but "we need someone to contribute right now" is not the way to draft.  especially not that high.

of the players you mentioned, all of them will have growing pains.  tyree wilson?  very unrefined player.  anderson is small.  first year corners almost always suck (gardner is a massive exception).

honestly, if you really wanted a plug and play guy, take bijan.  but again, with the long term in mind that's not a good decision to draft an rb that high.

It’s absolutely the best way to draft in this situation when you are starting year 1 of a potential window as a legitimate deep playoff contender.  They have 2 first round picks and a boatload of draft capital.  Use these picks to help fill current holes and add young rotational depth to positions of value..   Any QB would be drafted to sit the bench and have no impact for this year and next too if things go how you want this season.   No chance to make the team better now.  Wilson and the corners and pretty much anyone else would at least have an opportunity to help.   QB at 6 is such a waste right now.

Edited April 19, 2023 by Hongbit

[buddha]

35 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

It’s absolutely the best way to draft in this situation when you are starting year 1 of a potential window as a legitimate deep playoff contender.  They have 2 first round picks and a boatload of draft capital.  Use these picks to help fill current holes and add young rotational depth to positions of value..   Any QB would be drafted to sit the bench and have no impact for this year and next too if things go how you want this season.   No chance to make the team better now.  Wilson and the corners and pretty much anyone else would at least have an opportunity to help.   QB at 6 is such a waste right now.

the choice isnt "draft for help now" or "draft a qb."  the choice is between drafting the player you think will help your team the most and become the best player or drafting a player who plays a position we think needs help now.

if you draft a cb because you need a cb now rather than drafting an wide receiver or a defensive end you think will be a demon in two years but will take time to bed in now, youve made a mistake.

[buddha]

okudah is the perfect example.

[RandyMarsh]

2 minutes ago, buddha said:

okudah is the perfect example.

How about SF and Lance? I think they were in a similar situation to us in 2021 and they took Lance, they may have a ring right now if they took Chase, Sewell, Slater, Parsons, Waddle etc. instead. 

[buddha]

Just now, RandyMarsh said:

How about SF and Lance? I think they were in a similar situation to us in 2021 and they took Lance, they may have a ring right now if they took Chase, Sewell, Slater, Parsons, Waddle etc. instead. 

taking a tackle wasnt the difference between the niners winning and losing that game to the eagles.  the difference was quarterback.

[RandyMarsh]

2 minutes ago, buddha said:

taking a tackle wasnt the difference between the niners winning and losing that game to the eagles.  the difference was quarterback.

That lost a close one in the conference championship in 22 as well. Besides who knows how the seasons would've played out if they had another All Pro caliber player to their team like Slater, Sewell, Parsons and Chase have been. Perhaps they would've had the 1 seed and HFA both years. Either way I can guarantee they would've been a better team than they were. 

[Motown Bombers]

Purdy got injured because a pass rusher got through the offensive line and hit his arm. The 49ers went through like 5 QBs. 

[buddha]

Just now, RandyMarsh said:

That lost a close one in the conference championship in 22 as well. Besides who knows how the seasons would've played out if they had another All Pro caliber player to their team like Slater, Sewell, Parsons and Chase have been. Perhaps they would've had the 1 seed and HFA both years. Either way I can guarantee they would've been a better team than they were. 

you cant guarantee that.

the one thing we do know is that they ran out of qbs in that game.  to me, that's why they lost.  they have great players at all the positions you mentioned.  except one.  quarterback.

hell, that team was ao good they made the championship game with brock flipping purdy.  and we're not likely ever to know if trey lance was a good pick until he gets healthy enough to play back to back GAMES, much less back to back seasons.

[Motown Bombers]

13 minutes ago, buddha said:

okudah is the perfect example.

If the Lions drafted Tua, they would be in the same position they are in now. A QB who is on the verge of free agency that people aren't sure they want to commit to. 

[buddha]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

Purdy got injured because a pass rusher got through the offensive line and hit his arm. The 49ers went through like 5 QBs. 

they have the best left tackle in football on that team.  and a right tackle who just got massivley paid as a free agent.  

the eagles d line is pretty good too.  

[buddha]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

If the Lions drafted Tua, they would be in the same position they are in now. A QB who is on the verge of free agency that people aren't sure they want to commit to. 

how about if they drafted herbert?

i think they'd be ok.

[RandyMarsh]

5 minutes ago, buddha said:

you cant guarantee that.

the one thing we do know is that they ran out of qbs in that game.  to me, that's why they lost.  they have great players at all the positions you mentioned.  except one.  quarterback.

hell, that team was ao good they made the championship game with brock flipping purdy.  and we're not likely ever to know if trey lance was a good pick until he gets healthy enough to play back to back GAMES, much less back to back seasons.

Then you can't guarantee we would've been better off drafting Herbert/Tua over Okudah. Herbert may not have developed the same with the crappy coaching and supporting cast we had for his first year and/or we may have not gotten the same return for Stafford. Also we didn't miss the playoffs this year cause of our QB play it was because of our secondary and if Okudah never got hurt(like you are using with Lance) maybe our secondary wouldn't have been as bad and we make it in. 

Edited April 19, 2023 by RandyMarsh

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, buddha said:

how about if they drafted herbert?

i think they'd be ok.

But they would have to sign him to a massive contract and over 20% of the cap will be taken by the QB. 

[Motown Bombers]

Goff had more TDs and a higher QBR and QB rating than Herbert this past year. 

[buddha]

17 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Then you can't guarantee we would've been better off drafting Herbert/Tua over Okudah. Herbert may not have developed the same with the crappy coaching and supporting cast we had for his first year and/or we may have not gotten the same return for Stafford. Also we didn't miss the playoffs this year cause of our QB play it was because of our secondary and if Okudah never got hurt(like you are using with Lance) maybe our secondary wouldn't have been as bad and we make it in. 

i cannot guarantee we would have been better with herbert or that he would have developed the same way.  thats correct.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Jimbo]

I really like Goff and think he has done everything you could of asked of him.  Luckily at this point we have a GM that most of us have faith in.  You can't argue that LA made a bad decision getting rid of Goff for Stafford and picks because they won a super bowl.  Some might think that they could of won with Goff instead of Stafford although there is no way to prove this. 

All I am saying is I would be fine if the Lions drafted Stroud or another QB because I have faith they believed they can upgrade at the most important position on the field on a rookie contract.  If they don't then I am confident they think they can win a super bowl with Goff.  Or did not think the QB at 6 is better or don't feel like wasting draft picks on these QBs was worth the upgrade.

[Motown Bombers]