2023 NFL Draft Thread

[RandyMarsh]

I have no problem taking a rb early, particularly one that is multi faceted and can catch balls out of the backfield. 

Yes they have a shorter shelf life but the elite ones tend to be good for atleast 5 years, 5 years of elite play is a good enough return for a top 10 pick in my eyes, particularly if you are a contending team at that point.

Id rather have that then a guy that may be here for 10 years but ends up being just a run of the mill starter. 

 

[Motown Bombers]

Looking at the 2015 draft, there aren't many players immediately taken after Todd Gurley that I would have rather taken. Maybe Marcus Peters. Like Holmes said, I don't think the Rams have any regrets on taking Gurley and I think Gurley is an extreme example of a RB having a short career. On the flip side, Elliot was taken 4th and Jalen Ramsey and Deforest Buckner were taken after him, both of which I would rather have. 

[RatkoVarda]

certainly possible they end up with best defensive prospect at 6 (Carter) and best offensive prospect at 18 (Robinson), just by standing still

[Motown Bombers]

 

[RandyMarsh]

Karsh and Anderson said Vegas has Young and Anderson as the heavy favorites to go 1-2 respectively. Not sure if the Anderson prediction is intel they got that hes the Texans guy or if they know that a team may be trading up for him. 

[Motown Bombers]

That could still be good for the Lions. If Stroud is there at 6, they could trade down. 

[Hongbit]

7 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Karsh and Anderson said Vegas has Young and Anderson as the heavy favorites to go 1-2 respectively. Not sure if the Anderson prediction is intel they got that hes the Texans guy or if they know that a team may be trading up for him. 

Vegas doesn’t know any better than anyone else.  All this means is they’ve taken enough money the past few weeks on Stroud to go #1 that they want to spread some money around as a hedge.  

[NYLion]

There's not any real scenarios that are "bad" for the Lions but I would say the most preferable are somebody 7 or lower trading up to 3 to take a QB making it a run of 4 QBs in the top 4 with Anderson or Carter guaranteed for the Lions (this seems least likely). 

The other is that Houston passes on a QB (ideally taking Wilson) and Indy takes Levis leaving Stroud and Richardson for the Lions to use the pick as a big trade asset or take a swing for the fences with one of the QBs (preferably the trade down). This seems to be the more likely of the two scenarios but still unlikely to happen.

I think what ultimately happens is that Houston bites the bullet and takes their QB now in Stroud, Arizona takes Anderson, Indy takes Richardson, Seattle takes Carter leaving Wilson, one of the top CBs or whoever for the Lions. Not ideal but not a disastrous outcome by any means.

Edited April 20, 2023 by NYLion

[RandyMarsh]

6 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Vegas doesn’t know any better than anyone else.  All this means is they’ve taken enough money the past few weeks on Stroud to go #1 that they want to spread some money around as a hedge.  

Wouldn't they give longer odds if they wanted to intice people to put money on them? 

[Motown Bombers]

If the Raiders want the 6th pick, they'll have to pay extra for losing to the Rams. 

[NYLion]

15 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Vegas doesn’t know any better than anyone else.  All this means is they’ve taken enough money the past few weeks on Stroud to go #1 that they want to spread some money around as a hedge.  

Vegas knows more than you might think. They were the first ones to call Walker as the favorite to go #1 and people scoffed at it then they called Banchero (don't know if you're an NBA fan) to go #1 the actual day of the draft and people were like WTF? and look who went #1. Vegas knows...something.

Edited April 20, 2023 by NYLion

[RandyMarsh]

Also a few days before the 22 draft Vegas suddenly made Travon Walker the favorite to go 1 and of course he did. I don't doubt for a second that they have more intel then fans or beat writers. 

[Stanley70]

If they wound up with Carter and Robinson, that would be 2 of the five best prospects from this class according most sites. That would most likely drive a trade of Swift out of town.

i Was against taking Robinson but it appears that he may be the best option at 18. If he really is an elite RB it would be worth it IMO.

[RandyMarsh]

My dream non trade draft would be Carter at 6, Bijan/Witherspoon at 18 with Campbell and Tillman in the 2nd round. 

If we don't go db in the 1st then Id probably swap Campbell for a CB if one is available that is worth drafting there. 

Edited April 20, 2023 by RandyMarsh

[Mr.TaterSalad]

I guess given Holmes' statement on Carter that he is on their draft board and is under legitimate and real consideration. If Holmes feels comfortable taking Jalen Carter after the interview than I will trust him to do so. I still have Nick Fairley-esque concerns about him, but I trust this front office and coaching staff enough to make the right call on taking Carter. I don't believe them drafting Carter will be one of those Mayhew taking Titus Young or Bob Quinn "I've never watched more game tape on anyone than Teez Tabor" type of moments. In Holmes I trust and so if Carter is the pick I will feel satisfied with it.

[Motown Bombers]

Carter is a high risk high reward pick. I can get onboard with it especially since the Lions have the safety net of the 18th pick. 

[RandyMarsh]

24 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Carter is a high risk high reward pick. I can get onboard with it especially since the Lions have the safety net of the 18th pick. 

This is why I want him. I definitely have my concerns about him but I feel he has the most upside to help us in the draft and where were at as a franchise and with the capital we have I think it's worth the gamble. 

Also I think he at the very least may come out motivated his first year just to prove people wrong.

[buddha]

carter and anderson are the consensus best players in the draft.  go get one.

if one falls to them because some gm loves wilson's length, all the better.  same thing happened with hutch last year and that has worked out so far.

[buddha]

i'd be stunned if carter makes it past seattle if all 4 qbs are off the board by then.  i could also see seattle take a qb to sit behind geno for a year or two.

[CMRivdogs]

Seeing highlights from the Brad Holmes presser today where he said the Lions would be adding a third QB. I'm still expecting a developmental guy to be drafted late. Glancing at profiles I might be willing to wager on someone like Clayton Tune. I've seen comps comparing him to Brock Purdy.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

carter and anderson are the consensus best players in the draft.  go get one.

 

That’s draftspeak.  Nobody knows who the actual best players are in this draft.  We will all find out for sure watching them play it out on the field for the next 5 years.  

[NYLion]

42 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

I'll guarantee right now, and bookmark this post, that Holmes trades up. I think the most likely trade ups are back into the 1st round using the 2nds and/or into the 4th using the 5ths. He's going to consolidate those picks and go get a guy or two on his board that he doesn't think will last to his spot, plus the fact that the Lions roster is already pretty loaded as is and his propensity for trading up (wanting to trade up) historically. I think quality over quantity will be the gameplan

[buddha]

25 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

That’s draftspeak.  Nobody knows who the actual best players are in this draft.  We will all find out for sure watching them play it out on the field for the next 5 years.  

there's plenty of research that shows drafting according to the public draft boards is the most successful thing to do.  carter and anderson are at the top of everybody's lists for a reason.

[Hongbit]

2 minutes ago, NYLion said:

I'll guarantee right now, and bookmark this post, that Holmes trades up. I think the most likely trade ups are back into the 1st round using the 2nds and/or into the 4th using the 5ths. He's going to consolidate those picks and go get a guy or two on his board that he doesn't think will last to his spot, plus the fact that the Lions roster is already pretty loaded as is and his propensity for trading up (wanting to trade up) historically. I think quality over quantity will be the gameplan

Very possible.  Everything is on the table with him.