10/28/2022 7:00 EDT Atlanta Hawks vs Detroit Pistons

[Hart]

Something is happening with Cade.  Almost like he is realizing how good he can be.  

[Deleterious]

Cade with 27 at the half.

[Hart]

It's not fun to score 67 points in a half and be losing.  

[1984Echoes]

1 minute ago, Hart said:

It's not fun to score 67 points in a half and be losing.  

It's more fun than scoring 37 and be losing 69-37 at the half...

[Hart]

First of all...you have to hit your open shots.  But you also have to make the smart play.  Cade throwing a poor lob to Ivey.  Cade passing up an open mid range for a contested shot at the hoop.  Saddiq passing up an open three for a contested shot at the hoop.  Teams step up their defense in the second half and the Pistons just seem to roll over.  

[Deleterious]

I like that Casey let Cade play the 1st half with 2 fouls and is now letting him play the third with 4.  Better to leave him out there and learn.  

[Deleterious]

Pretty obvious from his limited minutes that Ivey is still suffering from his illness.  I love that he suited up and is giving it a go.

[Hart]

So much for Cade getting some calls. 

But seriously, the Hawks are 9-21 from three.  The Pistons are 4-20.  And Bogey is 2-4.  You have to be able to knock down some threes.  I can only defend Bey for so long.  He has to take them and he has to make some.  

[1984Echoes]

Bey belongs on the second unit.

He might even dominate there.

As Sixth Man.

[Hart]

The second unit is once again imploding.  But this game was slipping away before that. 

 

[Deleterious]

How was that not a foul on the Cade dunk?

[Deleterious]

Casey needs to channel his inner Earl Weaver and just go off on a ref to stick up for Cade.

[Hart]

1 minute ago, Deleterious said:

Casey needs to channel his inner Earl Weaver and just go off on a ref to stick up for Cade.

For sure.  

[Deleterious]

9 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

How was that not a foul on the Cade dunk?

This one.

 

[boogiebunz]

Cade with an impressive stat line. Too bad the game wasn't even competitive by the 4th quarter.

Super disappointing start to the season, and the schedule only gets tougher from here. On paper, the first 6 games looked like an opportunity for them to get a few wins before the tough stretch. 3-3 would have even kept hope alive. Right now, looks like wins won't only be hard to come by, but likely a lot of ugly basketball and lopsided losses along the way.

Really hoping that guys like Burks and Bagley can give the bench some offensive production. Burks can take all of Killian's minutes for all I care. And I don't need to see Diallo play anymore at all. And like others have said and suggested, would be quite in favor of Saddiq in the second unit and Livers replacing him. Joseph, Burks, Bey, Bagley, and either Stewart or Duren could even potentially be a good bench unit.

Edited October 29, 2022 by boogiebunz

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, boogiebunz said:

Really hoping that guys like Burks and Bagley can give the bench some offensive production

Wouldn't hurt as the Pistons 6th worst in scoring so far in the young season. Of course they are #1 in points allowed....

[RandyMarsh]

Well only 6 games in but at 1-5 we are tied for 3rd behind only the win less Lakers and Kings in the Wemby sweepstakes. I'm fine with us finishing there but I hope if we do we have some more competitive games like the one the other night or season opener vs. these blowouts. I hate watching games that are over by the 4th quarter. 

[buddha]

5 hours ago, Hart said:

I love that Kelser just mentioned Cade and Derozan in the same sentence.  I always thought Derozan was a good comp for Cade for at least how he can get buckets.  

except cade passes the ball.  and plays defense.

[casimir]

I'm not saying the defense sucks, but I dropped 6 and grabbed a pair of boards against the teal horseheads last night in the 4th after you chumps understandably bailed on the game.

[gehringer_2]

23 minutes ago, casimir said:

I'm not saying the defense sucks, but I dropped 6 and grabbed a pair of boards against the teal horseheads last night in the 4th after you chumps understandably bailed on the game.

and it would have been more if you'd warmed up.

[casimir]

7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

and it would have been more if you'd warmed up.

It takes a little longer these days to get loose.

[Hart]

10 hours ago, buddha said:

except cade passes the ball.  and plays defense.

Which is why I put that little caveat in there to be specific to getting buckets.  

[Hart]

Watching Cade shine at least makes us watchable.  But I don't know if I can get thru a whole season with the way we play defense.  After last night, we are last in points given up and opponent field goal percentage.  I know the NBA is basically a three point shooting contest now but Casey has to see we need more size in the starting lineup to try and stop the bleeding of our defense.  We can't continue down this path with Isaiah Stewart, all 6'8 of him, as the only big in our starting lineup.  

[casimir]

1 hour ago, Hart said:

Watching Cade shine at least makes us watchable.  But I don't know if I can get thru a whole season with the way we play defense.  After last night, we are last in points given up and opponent field goal percentage.  I know the NBA is basically a three point shooting contest now but Casey has to see we need more size in the starting lineup to try and stop the bleeding of our defense.  We can't continue down this path with Isaiah Stewart, all 6'8 of him, as the only big in our starting lineup.  

True, it’s become more of a 3 point shooting league.  And then when teams play the Pistons, they also have the advantage of scoring around the basket at will.

The switch first philosophy and lack of size have yet to be addressed and likely won’t be addressed for a while.  We’re probably more likely to see a full court press employed than a lineup change any time soon.

Edited October 29, 2022 by casimir

[RandyMarsh]

Bagley won't help on the defensive end or shooting but Cade seemed to play better with him last year since he gave him a good rim runner to throw lobs to so hopefully once he comes back he will atleast help the offense in that regard.