Media Meltdown and also Media Bias 101

[mtutiger]

15 minutes ago, pfife said:

Imagine arguing the media has liberal bias

 

The Bluetooth piece was a thing of beauty coming from the same folks who screamed about Hillary Clinton and data security back in 2016.

Almost like they are creating stuff to complain about.

[pfife]

30 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

The Bluetooth piece was a thing of beauty coming from the same folks who screamed about Hillary Clinton and data security back in 2016.

Almost like they are creating stuff to complain about.

almost....

I'm old enough to remember jared and ivanka using personal email for gov business too, weird that the 2016 infosec people were nowhere to be found.

Edited December 12, 2021 by pfife

[CMRivdogs]

The Brian Williams spot on MSNBC? Cuomo's ex-gig on CNN

PBS????

[pfife]

I am an avid follower of 5 Sunday morning talk shows (well, audio podcasts of them) and consistently he has made this one the best one.   It's way worse when there's a substitute host.

 

[pfife]

If anyone cares.  The Fox and CBS Sunday shows are by far the best, the other three aren't even close.

Now it will probably be CBS as the clear best.

[Jim Cowan]

24 minutes ago, pfife said:

If anyone cares.  The Fox and CBS Sunday shows are by far the best, the other three aren't even close.

Now it will probably be CBS as the clear best.

You don't care for Chuck Todd?  For hosts and panelists who begin every sentence with "Look"?

[pfife]

4 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said:

You don't care for Chuck Todd?  For hosts and panelists who begin every sentence with "Look"?

I wouldn't rank MTP worst, believe it or not.   but damn close lol.   Here's the official pfife power rankings, and these are clearly subject to change pretty soon here....

1) Fox News Sunday

2)CBS Face the Nation

3) CNN State of the Union (especially Dana Bash hosting instead of Tapper)

4) MTP

5) ABC's Stephanopolis show.   

Edited December 12, 2021 by pfife

[pfife]

 

[pfife]

I can't believe anyone reads nytimes columns anymore

 

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, Jim Cowan said:

You don't care for Chuck Todd?  For hosts and panelists who begin every sentence with "Look"?

pet peeve

[romad1]

2 hours ago, pfife said:

 

This 

[Archie]

11 minutes ago, romad1 said:

This 

He will fit in well at CNN.

[chasfh]

13 minutes ago, Archie said:

He will fit in well at CNN.

Because he cares about actual fairness, balance, and journalism. 

[romad1]

40 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Because he cares about actual fairness, balance, and journalism. 

I don't think the troll cares about that.

[Archie]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Because he cares about actual fairness, balance, and journalism. 

No because he is a liberal and CNN is a very liberal media outlet.  

[pfife]

lol "cnn is a very liberal media outlet"

it's awesome that you managed to be wrong twice in one sentence chief

 

Edited December 13, 2021 by pfife

[pfife]

which is further left, cnn or jacobin

[gehringer_2]

6 hours ago, pfife said:

I can't believe anyone reads nytimes columns anymore

 

IDK, there are two sets of voices in play here. First are the house conservatives like Bret Stephens who the Times generally allows to get by on a lower level of intellectual rigor in the name of 'balance.' Frankly I wouldn't bother. If your editors believe these people are wrong, provide balance by reporting on them, but not carrying them.

OTOH, if the complaint is about their left side writers whose agenda is enlarging the anti-facist coalition then understanding that the left's tendency to eat itself from the inside out is its biggest challenge to successfully meeting the right side threat is worth the ink. You need to pull in the middle in America, and when you present intellectual constructs that the middle cannot make head or tail of you have lost/will lose. Like it or not that is the way it is.  Even if the left continues to believe in its righteousness it needs to find paradigms and rhetorical systems in which to present its ideas that actually attract the majorities - in fact  - supermajorities that are no required to accomplish anything. So I don't find anything wrong with NYT opinion writers sounding the alarm to segments of the left for whom purity to too much a virtue.

Edited December 13, 2021 by gehringer_2

[pfife]

old enough to remember 2 months ago when "very liberal CNN" repeatedly trashed the largest civilian evacuation ever.  No sale on that lie

Edited December 13, 2021 by pfife

[chasfh]

4 hours ago, Archie said:

No because he is a liberal and CNN is a very liberal media outlet.  

lol 

Edited December 13, 2021 by chasfh

[ewsieg]

4 hours ago, pfife said:

old enough to remember 2 months ago when "very liberal CNN" repeatedly trashed the largest civilian evacuation ever.  No sale on that lie

BS, they did not do that.  They did criticize aspects of it, no doubt.  And as much as you want to believe the narrative that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, there were some legitimate concerns.  I mean, think of that drone strike, pretend Trump was president when that happened, you're opinion of that change even a little?

[Archie]

9 hours ago, chasfh said:

lol 

You're not paying attention if you don't think CNN is a liberal outlet. They're no different than any other media in that they are biased in their reporting.  The current administrations blunders are so bad and obvious that even the liberal media has to report on it.

[pfife]

6 hours ago, ewsieg said:

BS, they did not do that.  They did criticize aspects of it, no doubt.  And as much as you want to believe the narrative that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, there were some legitimate concerns.  I mean, think of that drone strike, pretend Trump was president when that happened, you're opinion of that change even a little?

no sale, they did exactly what I said.  Thanks for trying to change the topic to some hypothetical that you think is a gotcha for me though.

Edited December 13, 2021 by pfife

[ewsieg]

1 minute ago, pfife said:

no sale, they did exactly what I said.

From your partisan eyes, I'm sure they did.

[pfife]

Just now, ewsieg said:

From your partisan eyes, I'm sure they did.

this thread is about the media not me or my eyes, despite your obsession with me and them