Media Meltdown and also Media Bias 101

Tigermojo · January 1

9 hours ago, mtutiger said:

All I'm gonna say is that if Donald were to drop dead tomorrow and some liberal commentator said something in the tone of what Jennings said about Carter over some of his various ****ups, somehow I think certain folks would be reacting a lot different and reaching for some pearls.

The inability to exhibit any sort of class and respect for the dead is a real sign of the times, and not in a good way.

There are people outraged over "woke" which is simply having empathy for human beings so..... Trump has made hate great again.

Edman85 · January 1

9 hours ago, mtutiger said:

All I'm gonna say is that if Donald were to drop dead tomorrow and some liberal commentator said something in the tone of what Jennings said about Carter over some of his various ****ups, somehow I think certain folks would be reacting a lot different and reaching for some pearls.

The inability to exhibit any sort of class and respect for the dead is a real sign of the times, and not in a good way.

Honestly, I'm not big on the "don't speak ill of the dead" stuff. If somebody was a bad person, they don't deserve tongues to be held. In the past year or so, we lost Pete Rose, Bob Knight, OJ Simpson... people for different reasons who were pieces of crap and to me it's not wrong to point out as such.

Having said that, by all accounts Jimmy Carter was one of the best human beings to hold that office and he's not worthy of partisan scorn at this point, even if he clearly did have shortcomings in the position.

mtutiger · January 1

13 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Honestly, I'm not big on the "don't speak ill of the dead" stuff. If somebody was a bad person, they don't deserve tongues to be held. In the past year or so, we lost Pete Rose, Bob Knight, OJ Simpson... people for different reasons who were pieces of crap and to me it's not wrong to point out as such.

Having said that, by all accounts Jimmy Carter was one of the best human beings to hold that office and he's not worthy of partisan scorn at this point, even if he clearly did have shortcomings in the position.

The maybe better way to put it would be that we should strive to remember people in the immediate term after death for the good they did. And Carter did a lot of good, particularly post Presidency; a lot of other people (some listed above) didn't and it makes it harder to speak well of them.

Jennings was out of line though, particularly the casual accusations of antisemitism. Guys like him are a cancer on our politics and discourse, and the fact that CNN gives people like him airtime is why cable news is a big reason why cable news is garbage

Edited January 1 by mtutiger

Tigermojo · January 1

Good has become weakness and narcissism has become a cult of ignorance.

gehringer_2 · January 1

I think it has as much to do with the rise of social media. There has always been a big difference between what's said to the next of kin or in a funeral service, and the conversations in the cars of the acquaintance on the way to the funeral. It's just that the latter get shared much more widely because the kinds of conversations people used to have in 'private' aren't as private anymore. But I will grant that what has changed is the acceptance of low class behavior in general, and in a sense, it's I think that's also a symptom of that same blurring between public and private discourse. In the social media era we have monetized the kind of speech that used to remain private - so now we get it marketed in public.

Edited January 1 by gehringer_2

oblong · January 1

In terms of negativity on people who died…. The context is important. Critics of Carter are doing it in the context of his job performance and execution of policies. That’s far different that being a bad person and doing bad things. Yeah there will be gray areas, like Dubya and the Iraq war and intentions and all that. You can judge those responses on their own merit when the time comes.

When DJT finally croaks I will criticize him for all the non potus related things he deserves to be criticized for. We are under no obligation to hold back and be nice for a period of time.

Tiger337 · January 1

2 minutes ago, oblong said:

In terms of negativity on people who died…. The context is important. Critics of Carter are doing it in the context of his job performance and execution of policies. That’s far different that being a bad person and doing bad things. Yeah there will be gray areas, like Dubya and the Iraq war and intentions and all that. You can judge those responses on their own merit when the time comes.

When DJT finally croaks I will criticize him for all the non potus related things he deserves to be criticized for. We are under no obligation to hold back and be nice for a period of time.

Can we say he was a bad person?

oblong · January 1

Carter or Trump? You can for both but if it’s said about one nobody will take you seriously.

The day Carter died if someone’s initial reporting or essay or whatever was just about the criticism as president then obviously it’s a hit piece because he spent 50 years in the public sphere and only 4 of those were as president. It is just as silly as someone, when OJ died, focusing only on his athletic feats and movie roles.

I also will add that how and when the person died it’s important context of when and how to go negative. Carters been in hospice for 2 years so this isn’t a shock. If he had been eaten by a pack of wolves then maybe you wait as that’s the story for a bit.

Motor City Sonics · January 1

Jimmy Carter built houses for poor people and actually inspired others to do the same. With his own hands. Most ex Presidents just go on expensive speaking tours. I'll give him a ton of credit.

As far as any "weakness" goes, lets remember that his opponent in 1980 made a deal to make sure our hostages stayed hostages until he was sworn in. That's real weakness, keeping our people in captivity for a single extra day to serve his own needs. And if you want to trace back this imbalance between the haves and have nots to anyone - it's him. But he talked pretty. He was a ****ing actor. Carter was a decent guy (who has plenty of flaws). He was also a musichead, which I'll always appreciate.

Because if my job I won't say while I'll be doing when a certain person dies, but it won't be mourning.

Edited January 1 by Motor City Sonics

gehringer_2 · January 1

4 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

That's weakness and if you want to trace back this imbalance between the haves and have nots to anyone - it's him. But he talked pretty. He was a ****ing actor. Carter was a decent guy (who has plenty of flaws). He was also a musichead, which I'll always appreciate.

I'm willing to give Reagan some benefit of the doubt that if he had seen what GOP policies have done to income distribution he'd have switched sides again. Reagan started out as a dem but bought into the Austrian school stuff and was pushing welfare reform. I will grant that how you do welfare does matter and a good deal of reform eventually happened, but the Austrian School/Every-dollar-the-government-spends-is-a-Threat-of-Socialism stuff was, and remains bunk - it's just bad analysis, but since it fits the narrative the rich want to sell to oppose tax increases, it won't go away.

romad1 · January 2

16 hours ago, oblong said:

Carter or Trump? You can for both but if it’s said about one nobody will take you seriously.

The day Carter died if someone’s initial reporting or essay or whatever was just about the criticism as president then obviously it’s a hit piece because he spent 50 years in the public sphere and only 4 of those were as president. It is just as silly as someone, when OJ died, focusing only on his athletic feats and movie roles.

I also will add that how and when the person died it’s important context of when and how to go negative. Carters been in hospice for 2 years so this isn’t a shock. If he had been eaten by a pack of wolves then maybe you wait as that’s the story for a bit.

I am a little sleepy this morning but I almost checked to see if there were rumors that Carter had been killed by wolves. Especially difficult if he is in hospice because that would mean the wolves had gotten inside the building.

mtutiger · January 2

20 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

I think it has as much to do with the rise of social media. There has always been a big difference between what's said to the next of kin or in a funeral service, and the conversations in the cars of the acquaintance on the way to the funeral. It's just that the latter get shared much more widely because the kinds of conversations people used to have in 'private' aren't as private anymore. But I will grant that what has changed is the acceptance of low class behavior in general, and in a sense, it's I think that's also a symptom of that same blurring between public and private discourse. In the social media era we have monetized the kind of speech that used to remain private - so now we get it marketed in public.

It doesn't help that social media conversations aren't face to face either...

I've cut back a lot since the election, including leaving Twitter. And I don't miss it at all... People are just so angry all the time

CMRivdogs · January 7

Whelp

It might be time to prepare for the Musk/Trump re-education camps and get ready for the remake of the great times around 1929

oblong · January 7

I still use Facebook to stay in touch with friends and follow certain hobbies but the site changed over the last few months. I noticed I am not seeing updates from groups I belong to but instead I get a bunch of AI generated posts from similar sounding groups. "Oh, you liked a post about a map? Here's 15 other posts written by AI about maps"

CMRivdogs · January 7

3 minutes ago, oblong said:

I still use Facebook to stay in touch with friends and follow certain hobbies but the site changed over the last few months. I noticed I am not seeing updates from groups I belong to but instead I get a bunch of AI generated posts from similar sounding groups. "Oh, you liked a post about a map? Here's 15 other posts written by AI about maps"

Between that and Bluesky's latest Bot infestation....it may be time to just dropout of social media for a while

CMRivdogs · January 7

11 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Whelp

It might be time to prepare for the Musk/Trump re-education camps and get ready for the remake of the great times around 1929

chasfh · January 7

7 minutes ago, oblong said:

I still use Facebook to stay in touch with friends and follow certain hobbies but the site changed over the last few months. I noticed I am not seeing updates from groups I belong to but instead I get a bunch of AI generated posts from similar sounding groups. "Oh, you liked a post about a map? Here's 15 other posts written by AI about maps"

What I'm getting that's annoying me are those Reels where the thumbnail shows big-titty-halter-wearing and/or big-assed-shorts-wearing women, I assume because they know I'm a man of a certain age. I keep selecting Hide, and FB keeps showing them to me. I guess FBAI knows me better than I know myself?

oblong · January 7

15 minutes ago, chasfh said:

What I'm getting that's annoying me are those Reels where the thumbnail shows big-titty-halter-wearing and/or big-assed-shorts-wearing women, I assume because they know I'm a man of a certain age. I keep selecting Hide, and FB keeps showing them to me. I guess FBAI knows me better than I know myself?

yep. I was pushed a series of women bowling. I clicked on one once because I thought it would be something funny or interesting, like a trick shot. Nope. Just a nice looking woman with a big booty bowling. Nothing interesting about it beyond that. Then I got more of them. Different women. I guess that's a thing? I wish they had a feature where you could could say something like "More like this" or "less like this". I'm not saying I'm perfect or anything but that's not what I want my social media to be about.

romad1 · January 7

7 minutes ago, oblong said:

yep. I was pushed a series of women bowling. I clicked on one once because I thought it would be something funny or interesting, like a trick shot. Nope. Just a nice looking woman with a big booty bowling. Nothing interesting about it beyond that. Then I got more of them. Different women. I guess that's a thing? I wish they had a feature where you could could say something like "More like this" or "less like this". I'm not saying I'm perfect or anything but that's not what I want my social media to be about.

I don't get all the Texas clickbait superimposed on Michigan. Like "3 signs you are in Michigan: #1 everyone says 'y'all', #2 we all shop at Buc-es, #3 we drive in trucks". The other thing that anyone with a suspicious mind would note is a certain type of populist male/female dynamic that implies that ladies like being trad but being covertly voracious in the bedroom.

I've reached a certain point in my life where I'm going to look at good looking ladies on the internet and not care unless there is an obvious malicious link behind it.

Tigerbomb13 · January 7

My Facebook has become a complete garbage dump over the last year. Instead of seeing friend/group posts it’s been littered with posts like these, and completely fake news stories about Gordon Ramsey kicking “woke” people out of restaurants

oblong · January 7

13 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I don't get all the Texas clickbait superimposed on Michigan. Like "3 signs you are in Michigan: #1 everyone says 'y'all', #2 we all shop at Buc-es, #3 we drive in trucks". The other thing that anyone with a suspicious mind would note is a certain type of populist male/female dynamic that implies that ladies like being trad but being covertly voracious in the bedroom.

I've reached a certain point in my life where I'm going to look at good looking ladies on the internet and not care unless there is an obvious malicious link behind it.

Yes, I have noticed that too. Husbands with beards and beer bellies driving tractors and doing "manly" things while the wife stays home and raises the kids and cooks the food and makes sure she takes care of her man. "I'll get up at 6:00 am and make your lunch if you go to work and to prove it here's a video of me in my night shirt and no pants making your lunch on to prove it". 'Merica!

oblong · January 7

I also get timeshare exit strategy videos. I clicked on once b/c unlike a lot of people I enjoy the presentations and sales pitches. I did it twice in order to stay at a resort. I love telling them no over and over and fighting and arguing with them. One guy told me that "Why should you pay for your kids college? I didn't pay mine?" and I retorted "You look like you are in your 60's and selling time shares.... " I figure once their alleged time is up I can be a jerk and if they get personal or sly insults, then all bets are off. Otherwise I'm fine to go thru the motions and listen.

The other one I get is Dave Ramsey. That guy's a hoot. Many times his math just doesn't add up. Other times he ignores tax advantages. "If you invest $100 a month from 18 until you are 85, you will have $3.5 Million". Great. What good is $3.5M going to do for me when I am 85. I didn't go to Disney World or take that trip to Iceland but dangit.... I got $3M in the bank. There's a balance in life Dave. Money is not a sign or morality and he crosses that line. The other bits are poking fun at people's misery, I think the callers are fake, like those house hunters looking at $1.5 million houses with jobs that sound like they pay crap. "Hi, I'm 38 years old, my husband and I make $150K a year between the two of us and we have $1.5 Million in debt and are underwater on our house, the payments are $55,000 a month...."

ben9753 · January 7

4 minutes ago, oblong said:

I also get timeshare exit strategy videos. I clicked on once b/c unlike a lot of people I enjoy the presentations and sales pitches. I did it twice in order to stay at a resort. I love telling them no over and over and fighting and arguing with them. One guy told me that "Why should you pay for your kids college? I didn't pay mine?" and I retorted "You look like you are in your 60's and selling time shares.... " I figure once their alleged time is up I can be a jerk and if they get personal or sly insults, then all bets are off. Otherwise I'm fine to go thru the motions and listen.

The other one I get is Dave Ramsey. That guy's a hoot. Many times his math just doesn't add up. Other times he ignores tax advantages. "If you invest $100 a month from 18 until you are 85, you will have $3.5 Million". Great. What good is $3.5M going to do for me when I am 85. I didn't go to Disney World or take that trip to Iceland but dangit.... I got $3M in the bank. There's a balance in life Dave. Money is not a sign or morality and he crosses that line. The other bits are poking fun at people's misery, I think the callers are fake, like those house hunters looking at $1.5 million houses with jobs that sound like they pay crap. "Hi, I'm 38 years old, my husband and I make $150K a year between the two of us and we have $1.5 Million in debt and are underwater on our house, the payments are $55,000 a month...."

Dave Ramsey is definitely extreme, but if more young people listened to him, they'd be better off for it. I've been listening to the Money Guys podcast and youtube recently, they're alot more balanced and down to earth than Ramsey.

Tigeraholic1 · January 7

My teenager kids don't even have facebook, they call it boomerbook. It is turning into the 40 and older club for sure.

chasfh · January 7

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

I don't get all the Texas clickbait superimposed on Michigan. Like "3 signs you are in Michigan: #1 everyone says 'y'all', #2 we all shop at Buc-es, #3 we drive in trucks". The other thing that anyone with a suspicious mind would note is a certain type of populist male/female dynamic that implies that ladies like being trad but being covertly voracious in the bedroom.

There's a correlation between being trad and being voracious in the bedroom. Or so I've heard ... 😁

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