CMRivdogs Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 The roots of the current GQP began here. It's been ongoing since the mid 60s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 11 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: It's not a ridiculous process if a Party has all of its heads on straight. Which has been 100% true the past 230 years. Until this year and the Republican Party. We are seeing what happens when ostrich-like people trust the integrity of our system to puny norms instead of beefy rules or laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 25 minutes ago, chasfh said: We are seeing what happens when ostrich-like people trust the integrity of our system to puny norms instead of beefy rules or laws. I don't know about that... Trump and his fascist ****wad followers have **** all over beefy rules of law and puny norms equally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: I don't know about that... Trump and his fascist ****wad followers have **** all over beefy rules of law and puny norms equally. I'm not talking about rule of law as a theoretical concept. I am talking about actual laws on the books, and rules on the books. Edited October 13, 2023 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 Caveat being that I dont agree with his politics, but Scott v Jordan is quite a "workhorse vs. showhorse" matchup in terms of legislative styles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 Jordan is gonna need to dial up another one of his "charm offensives"... woof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 Yup... 81 voting against while standing next to token opposition is a hill to climb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Jordan is gonna need to dial up another one of his "charm offensives"... woof LOL, Jordan increased his vote by 11 over Scalise. So at this rate in another 10 sessions he might get to 217. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 The clown show continues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: LOL, Jordan increased his vote by 11 over Scalise. So at this rate in another 10 sessions he might get to 217. It's the arrogance of Jordan and his crowd that sort of gets me.... not that I love Scalise or anything, but he basically did a backdoor shiv on Scalise and then turns around and, for the last 24 hours, has been acting like he clearly was the only option and the caucus would be lucky to have him. The GOP is in such a ditch right now that it's always smart to assume the worst outcome will eventually come to pass (and maybe it still will here, who knows).... but that assumption just sort of obscures just how terrible Jordan has handled this on a personal level with a lot of these members, many of whom aren't out in front of cameras all the time and are actually interested in doing policymaking. Austin Scott was token opposition, but he's a pretty good example of that kind of member.... people don't realize it because they aren't out in front of cameras all the time, but there's a decent amount of those kinds of members in the House of Representatives, in both parties. They go out and are good soldiers on votes, even controversial ones, but ultimately they are there because they care about ag policy, energy policy, etc. Someone like Jordan as Speaker would be an anathema to that kind of member. And the result here is just case in point. Edited October 13, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 Wow... not sure any amount of Jim Jordan charm will make that work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Jim Jordan doesn't know how to write legislation, Jim Jordan doesn't know how to pass legislation. I guess that does make him the ideal GOP chief legislator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Jim Jordon doesn't know Jack. And he's a sex offender enabler. Trumpers pick real winners. Someone also needs to buy the man a suit. I don't want any congress critter dressed like my old shop teacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) So what happens next month is the government shuts down because they have no desire to make any deal. Biden could give them everything they want and they still would vote down any deal. Why? Because Reasons. They think they'll win public opinion and they won't do anything to make a deal. This is going to continue through Christmas and into the new year. And it's going to turn everyone against them, but it won't matter because they won't understand that. Because Reasons. This is going to be a very long shutdown and it's going to cause total chaos and that is their only currency. Get ready for the ride. When does it start effecting all those people who collect welfare and disability in the South? You know, all those anti-Socialists who totally rely on government checks..... That's gonna be fun to watch. Too bad too many decent people are going to suffer too, but this is what they want. Let 'em choke on it. Edited October 13, 2023 by Motor City Sonics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 On 10/12/2023 at 7:29 AM, oblong said: It's like a pro wrestling journalist who covered it from 1960 onwards and having to deal with the attitude era in the mid 2000s. Yep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Real Republicans from Va have their knives out tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 48 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Quothe Mike Pence, "I was not aware...." Sort of says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Real Republicans from Va have their knives out tonight It's about time the middle realize when they have just as much power as the extreme. No-one is going to get 'Primaried' over blocking Jim Jordan. Edited October 14, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 9 hours ago, CMRivdogs said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 9 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Quothe Mike Pence, "I was not aware...." Sort of says it all. He was aware. He was just saying what he needs to say to get political points. That all these clowns do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: It's about time the middle realize when they have just as much power as the extreme. No-one is going to get 'Primaried' over blocking Jim Jordan. I agree, but at the same time many of the real republicans (as opposed to all hat, no cattle MAGAs) keep getting primaried. So we're stuck with performance artists or cowards who are afraid of speaking out because they would loose all those corporate "donations" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 14, 2023 Author Share Posted October 14, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, CMRivdogs said: I agree, but at the same time many of the real republicans (as opposed to all hat, no cattle MAGAs) keep getting primaried. So we're stuck with performance artists or cowards who are afraid of speaking out because they would loose all those corporate "donations" A couple of thoughts: 1.) The fact that the GOP frequently rewards performance artistry doesn't mean that there aren't pols in office who have the rope to go against Jordan on a vote like this. Frank Lucas (who was one of the introducers of Austin Scott yesterday) and Kay Granger are two to come to mind: they lead powerful committees and bring home the bacon for their constituencies... they have their jobs for as long as they want them. 2.) To the extent that primaries matter, a lot of it also depends on how hard Trump or other powerful figures are willing to work to get between constituents and their reps. I am skeptical that they even have the juice to get people to care that much over Jim Jordan or him being Speaker.... especially given how polls have shown a lot Rs (around half) don't even think McCarthy should have been removed in the first place Edited October 14, 2023 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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