The 118th United States Congress

[VegasTiger]

7 hours ago, Screwball said:

If they can't get a Speaker, no monetary things can happen, so they don't get paid. If this goes on long enough, maybe they all get pissed off and go home. We can pick names out of a phone book to replace them and be better off.

Win

OK, I've had a few beers and a doobie (thanks Michigan) so I'm only half kidding.

I don't normally dig the nihilism but sometimes it's just appropriate.

[mtutiger]

Today should tell a lot... if McCarthy can't get there after putting the deals down on paper...

And one of the flaws of McCarthy's line of thinking is that the pressure should rachet up on the remaining holdouts if he wins some votes back today. I wouldn't make that bet, the hardcore holdouts (ie. Goetz, Boebert) are shameless. You can't negotiate with that. 

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Today should tell a lot... if McCarthy can't get there after putting the deals down on paper...

And one of the flaws of McCarthy's line of thinking is that the pressure should rachet up on the remaining holdouts if he wins some votes back today. I wouldn't make that bet, the hardcore holdouts (ie. Goetz, Boebert) are shameless. You can't negotiate with that. 

The RNC should expel the holdouts from the party.  Tell them they can't caucus with the Republicans.  

[mtutiger]

Enough talk, Don... time to put forward an alternative.

[mtutiger]

2 minutes ago, romad1 said:

The RNC should expel the holdouts from the party.  Tell them they can't caucus with the Republicans.  

They aren't going to give up their majority.

If the rest of the caucus are embarrassed, they need to figure out a way to isolate them. This happens all the time at the state level, in Texas, Speakers have been elected for years with Democratic votes. That will be happening in Ohio this upcoming year, Pennsylvania will have a coalition government, Alaska, etc.

[Tigeraholic1]

Flash forward two years after Jan 6 the same terrorist are causing havoc in D.C.

Edited January 6, 2023 by Tigeraholic1

[CMRivdogs]

Caller on C-SPAN just told me it's all Hunter Biden's laptop's fault

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

Enough talk, Don... time to put forward an alternative.

What evidence is there to show that the GOP in the House will get pummeled in 2024 if this keeps up? If Trump is on the ballot, the data shows us that the GOP actually over preforms in the House relative to expectations. 2020 and 2016 are both examples of this. People have very short memories, this will be yesterdays news come election time 2024.

Edited January 6, 2023 by Mr.TaterSalad

[mtutiger]

16 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

What evidence is there to show that the GOP in the House will get pummeled in 2024 if this keeps up? If Trump is on the ballot, the data shows us that the GOP actually over preforms in the House relative to expectations. 2020 and 2016 are both examples of this. People have very short memories, this will be yesterdays news come election time 2024.

Bacon's comment likely reflects his own district some - the district (essentially Omaha) gave Biden an EC vote in 2020. And the possibly the only reason he was reelected in that year was that the nominee wasn't good and was a little too far to the left of the median voter.

But the other part of this is that, along with Bacon's district, there are about 15 other districts that voted for Biden in 2020 where Rs represent. Chaos in the US House of Representatives comes with a lot of peril for those districts and, by extension, the GOP majority - flipping just a handful of these districts would flip the House.

I do think it's a fair point to point out that overperformance, but past isn't necessarily prologue and guys like Bacon or Fitzpatrick aren't necessarily going to be feel comforted by that either.

Edited January 6, 2023 by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

34 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

People have very short memories, this will be yesterdays news come election time 2024.

The other comment here - people thought January 6th would be yesterday's news come election time 2022 and yet it ended up being a bigger factor than people realized.

[Screwball]

7 hours ago, VegasTiger said:

I don't normally dig the nihilism but sometimes it's just appropriate.

Keep guzzling the cool-aide, you ain't drunk enough yet.

[romad1]

6 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

The other comment here - people thought January 6th would be yesterday's news come election time 2022 and yet it ended up being a bigger factor than people realized.

Yeah, the 20 are in the bubble.  Nobody is cheering these 20 idiots on.  

[mtutiger]

At what point does Kevin earn the nickname "Sisyphus"?

[chasfh]

8 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Yeah, the 20 are in the bubble.  Nobody is cheering these 20 idiots on.  

People who want to destroy the constitutional democratic republic as we know it and remake it as Amerikkka are.

[CMRivdogs]

 

[chasfh]

Justin Amash must be right about the power of the Speaker.

[Motor City Sonics]

2 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

Caller on C-SPAN just told me it's all Hunter Biden's laptop's fault

He illegally downloaded Madden 15 on his Laptop.................Joe Biden must be impeached. 

[ewsieg]

FYI, Season 11 is about to start on CSPAN.  No idea if they are going to follow the same writing that has made Seasons 1-10 so enjoyable or if they are going to try something different.  Either way, get the popcorn out and remember what they say, 11th time's a charm.

[Motor City Sonics]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

People who want to destroy the constitutional democratic republic as we know it and remake it as Amerikkka are.

I wonder how many of those people collect Unemployment, Welfare, Disability, Social Security or Medicare/Medicaid  Bet the percentage is much higher than everyone else

[chasfh]

9 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

I wonder how many of those people collect Unemployment, Welfare, Disability, Social Security or Medicare/Medicaid  Bet the percentage is much higher than everyone else

My guess is they will maintain that they paid into Unemployment, paid into Welfare, paid into Disability, paid into Social Security, and paid into both Medicare and Medicaid, so goddamn right they collect it, and they should because they deserve it, and those people don't, because those people probably never paid into it, because how can you do that when you're born in Mexico or wherever it is those people came from.

Edited January 6, 2023 by chasfh

[Motor City Sonics]

I would love to see one of these unemployed Sov. Citizens go to court, proclaim their SovCit stupidity and have a judge cut them off all government support.   So many of them are unemployable, they'd sing a different tune very quickly.  

[Motor City Sonics]

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

My guess is they will maintain that they paid into Unemployment, paid into Welfare, paid into Disability, paid into Social Security, and paid into both Medicare and Medicaid, so goddamn right they collect it, and they should because they deserve it, and those people don't, because those people probably never paid into it, because how can you do that when you're born in Mexico or wherever it is those people came from.

That's why Regan wanted to get them working legally (even as non citizens) and collecting taxes on them so they were paying into the system,   that crazy liberal. 

[mtutiger]

A few more votes picked up, but still defeated in the Gs

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

 

[mtutiger]

All of the flips are positive for McCarthy, but it really comes down to the resolve of the holdouts....