1984Echoes Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 17 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Near as I can read this, the radicals don't want McHenry, they want Jordan. Hopefully they are pushing the 'moderates', OK, correct that, there may no 'moderates', lets just call them the 'sane' caucus, closer to the embrace of Mr Jeffries. I never thought this a realistic possibility. Chance this happens = 0. However... Moderate Republicans have to be thinking to themselves, that they will NEVER get a moderate Speaker again. McCarthy was their guy. But they know the Fascist Caucus is dead set against another of theirs and will ONLY support a Fascist Speaker. So they have a decision to make: 1) Wilt for a Fascist Caucus Speaker, when it's NOT Jordan? 2) Keep pressing for a moderate Speaker; which they know will never get 100% backing from their party? 3) Pull an end-around and vote for Jeffries. Fall on their sword so to speak because they'll come under a firestorm of criticism from the right and probably lose their jobs next election? At this point, they know they'll be able to work out fair deals with the Dems on rules and such, Ukraine, Israel... maybe even a balanced budget that includes cuts in spending as well as some targeted tax increases (not cuts alone), and maybe some repairs to Social Security funding... Would they go so far as to actually vote for Jeffries? Before today: No. Today... Hmmm... Maybe. I'm thinking it IS becoming much more of a realistic possibility IF moderates look in the mirror and realize that absolute truth of their current position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 PS: If 30 moderate Republicans vote for Jeffries... 1) It may give them more cover, amongst themselves, but also back in their districts if they can successfully argue that they represent the country, not Trump's Pending Fascist Dictatorship. I don't know how well that'll work... but I do know: 2) If this happens, it splits the party. 3) Maybe they limit the damage to 5 Republicans in the strongest Biden districts in order to, you know, try to limit the damage within the party? Hence, 5 guys/ (or gals) falling on their swords. Or in districts in which the Rep has already decided to retire...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 Just FYI, one Republican member (Derrick Van Orden) is out of country now in Israel.... so Jimmy's already down a vote there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 this is definitely the party I want running things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 minute ago, RatkoVarda said: this is definitely the party I want running things the party of bullies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 It honestly amazes me it's taken even this long for there to be more coverage of how normalized this is within the Republican Party in particular.... especially since Trump came into play, this has always been a feature, although we're now seeing real world consequences of it for these holdouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CMRivdogs Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 These guyz can't even spin coherently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: These guyz can't even spin coherently There ya go, good ol' fashioned victim blaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Are they voting again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) Please make it happen. It would be poetic justice. Edited October 20, 2023 by CMRivdogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, mtutiger said: There ya go, good ol' fashioned victim blaming. Ken Buck was wearing a very short skirt, so he was kinda asking for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 minute ago, CMRivdogs said: Yeah, the whole "Jordan is gonna keep the whole Congress in session all weekend" idea falls apart the moment that (if my math is correct) three GOP members join Derrick Van Orden in being somewhere else all weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 minute ago, mtutiger said: Yeah, the whole "Jordan is gonna keep the whole Congress in session all weekend" idea falls apart the moment that (if my math is correct) three GOP members join Derrick Van Orden in being somewhere else all weekend. The way i understand it is the vote is 1) contingent on a quorum. 2)The new Speaker would need a majority of the votes present. If several republicans leave and you have the anti Jordan faction continues with basically voting no. There is the possibility Jefferies could end up stealing the seat. He's won a plurality several times now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted October 20, 2023 Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: The way i understand it is the vote is 1) contingent on a quorum. 2)The new Speaker would need a majority of the votes present. If several republicans leave and you have the anti Jordan faction continues with basically voting no. There is the possibility Jefferies could end up stealing the seat. He's won a plurality several times now. To be honest, while I don't think it is likely, I wouldn't be totally surprised if this happens.... if one gathers that Jordan is trying to make himself into a martyr, one way for that to happen is for Jeffries to be elected by fluke because he was "failed" by the "evil Establishment" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Pretty sure I am never voting republican ever again. How can anyone take them serious anymore? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, mtutiger said: To be honest, while I don't think it is likely, I wouldn't be totally surprised if this happens.... if one gathers that Jordan is trying to make himself into a martyr, one way for that to happen is for Jeffries to be elected by fluke because he was "failed" by the "evil Establishment" "The election was stolen! They tricked us!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Just when I thought McCarthy couldn’t possibly sink any lower (stupid me).… there he is - serving up profuse, ridiculous praises of Jordan and nominating him. It is positively sickening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 and the vote is on!...........again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 60 votes in and he's already lost 4. Hope this gets ugly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 I see 15 for "others"..... I don't think that's going to get it done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 he lost his previous 22 and they are only at 'R'. Going to be 25 or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Jordan opposition said they have 40+, and they are playing this perfectly; if there is round 4, he will lost by even more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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