mtutiger Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Edman85 said: Good thing Opening Day isn't 21 Dec. People are used to Avila signing somebody to fill the hole early in the offseason, wiping his hands and declaring mission accomplished. 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: Correct. And the history drives the point that moving fast hasn't necessarily yielded positive results. It's funny: we all ended the Avila era wanting to run him out on a rail, and yet we're still really conditioned to expect them to do the things that he would have done and get anxious when things develop differently under the new regime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Correct. And the history drives the point that moving fast hasn't necessarily yielded positive results. yeah the trade we made on December 4th 2007 was so horrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Toddwert said: yeah the trade we made on December 4th 2007 was so horrible But that was not Avila so it doesn't bear on whether *his* impatience contributed to him being or was a reflection of him being a poor dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddwert Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: But that was not Avila so it doesn't bear on whether *his* impatience contributed to him being or was a reflection of him being a poor dealer. He also made a deal in march that didnt do much to save his job last season... he was just a bad GM Edited December 20, 2022 by Toddwert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Toddwert said: He also made a deal in march that didnt do much to save his job last season... 👍 LOL - Pretty much anything he did at any time last year didn't do anything to save his job! Edited December 20, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 On 12/20/2022 at 7:41 AM, chasfh said: Teams that totally avoid free agency don’t win as much as teams that know how to effectively sign key free agents. I love how Tampa built their team. It has lasted a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Cruzer1 said: I love how Tampa built their team. It has lasted a while. I love their ruthlessness in roster management, too. I can also see why their fans might get frustrated if they can’t feel like they can fall in love with any of the players because they’ll just be gone practically tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 6 hours ago, chasfh said: I love their ruthlessness in roster management, too. I can also see why their fans might get frustrated if they can’t feel like they can fall in love with any of the players because they’ll just be gone practically tomorrow. Not true, they keep most players until free agency. They signed Franco to an 11 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cruzer1 said: Not true, they keep most players until free agency. They signed Franco to an 11 year deal. Is true. They don't keep most players until free agency. Franco won't last anywhere near 11 years in Tampa. Longoria signed for ten years with them after the 2012 season. He lasted five there. Edited December 23, 2022 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 9 hours ago, chasfh said: I love their ruthlessness in roster management, too. I can also see why their fans might get frustrated if they can’t feel like they can fall in love with any of the players because they’ll just be gone practically tomorrow. Yeah, I like a lot of the things they do in principle, but they would not be an easy team to love. I don't hope for the Tigers end up like them...although it sure beats what the Tigers have been doing the last several years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted December 25, 2022 Author Share Posted December 25, 2022 On 12/20/2022 at 2:28 PM, mtutiger said: It's funny: we all ended the Avila era wanting to run him out on a rail, and yet we're still really conditioned to expect them to do the things that he would have done I don't believe it's so much a matter of crediting Avila with setting a pattern worth emulating. It's more a matter of seeing all the worthy talent go to other destinations, and realizing that leaves us to pick through the "undervalued" bargain bin, stringing our entire hopes upon bounceback performances. Did you see that Jason Beck is now touting a possible return of Josh Harrison? Cripes! Might as well sign Billy Hamilton too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted December 25, 2022 Author Share Posted December 25, 2022 On 12/18/2022 at 12:20 PM, Tenacious D said: The Ilitch is cheap narrative is lazy and inaccurate. Sitting out this reckless free agency is smart. He's dumping arb level players over a few measly million dollars, and replacing them with players who's main qualifications are that they might bounce back. That's the definition of "cheap". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 All this angst over Reyes and the Castros? You gotta raise your bar. Take some chances in life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Useful Idiot said: I don't believe it's so much a matter of crediting Avila with setting a pattern worth emulating. It's more a matter of seeing all the worthy talent go to other destinations, and realizing that leaves us to pick through the "undervalued" bargain bin, stringing our entire hopes upon bounceback performances. Ok, I'll bite. This team won 66 games last year. This team isn't gonna Brandon Drury and Wil Myers their way to 80+ wins, bounceback performances on the existing roster or, in the case of Tork, Greene and other less established players advanced performances, are a necessary condition to getting there. Sorry if we aren't getting the dopamine rush of Jon Heyman and Jeff Passan mentioning the Tigers in rumors (or rather laundering player agent talking points), that is just reality. 16 hours ago, Useful Idiot said: Did you see that Jason Beck is now touting a possible return of Josh Harrison? Cripes! Might as well sign Billy Hamilton too. Billy Hamilton signed with the White Sox already. Probably Vic Reyes' competition for a roster spot lol Edited December 26, 2022 by mtutiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, Tiger337 said: All this angst over Reyes and the Castros? You gotta raise your bar. Take some chances in life! I don't believe that leveraging our future with "bounceback" candidates is gonna be much of an improvement. Have I somehow missed all the buzz celebrating how Harris won the off season? Edited December 27, 2022 by Useful Idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 Hey, if "plotting the most cost effective path to 65 wins" is what you guys enjoy spending your time on, well more power to ya. But I expect a little more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 35 minutes ago, Useful Idiot said: I don't believe that leveraging our future with "bounceback" candidates is gonna be much of an improvement. This seems logically inconsistent with advocating for Vic Reyes and Willi Castro. Given how little "bounce" they have shown recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 12 hours ago, mtutiger said: This team won 66 games last year. This team isn't gonna Brandon Drury and Wil Myers their way to 80+ wins, bounceback performances on the existing roster or, in the case of Tork, Greene and other less established players advanced performances, are a necessary condition to getting there this is right. The only way 2023 is in any way successful is if the 2022 team was a bunch of guys who were a lot better than they showed because they all had a bunch of bad luck that isn't going to be repeated in addition to a sprinkling of prospects not quite ready for the majors then who will be this season.. These things are either true or they are not If not, we're are looking at another long multi-year road back. We can make any kind of story or speculation around it we like, but that is the bottom line for the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Useful Idiot said: I don't believe that leveraging our future with "bounceback" candidates is gonna be much of an improvement. Which bounceback candidates are you specifically talking about? Because... I expect bouncebacks by: Jake Rogers Spencer Torkelson Riley Greene (2nd year) Austin Meadows Akil Baddoo Javier Baez Spencer Turnbull Eduardo Rodriguez Matt Manning Tarik Skubal Alex Faedo Reese Olson Beau Brieske Alex Lange Casey Mize ... To EXACTLY be the source of improvement for the Tigers in 2023, 2024 and 2025. Oh, and new rookies breaking in like Justyn Henry-Malloy, Dillon Dingler, Parker Meadows, Wenceel Perez, Ty Madden, Colt Keith, etc. Didn't you get the memo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Drinkin' the egg nog..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Edman85 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 What exactly are Brieske, Lange, Olson, and Faedo bouncing back to? And how will Mize bounce back if he isn't set to return until toward the end of the season, if at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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