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[CMRivdogs]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

Seriously, since the conversion to digital, I don't think I've talked to anyone this far away (A^2) who is using over the air.  On the west side of A^2 we never got analog over the air very well from Det even with pretty large antennae - Toledo was as good and then you needed a rotor to get back and forth. Is the range for broadcast digital supposed to be worse, better, comparable?

When we were in Commerce Twp/Wolverine Lake we had a difficult time picking up most channels with an indoor antenna. Since it was a rental, outdoor antennas were out. We could barely get signals out of Southfield.

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

When we were in Commerce Twp/Wolverine Lake we had a difficult time picking up most channels with an indoor antenna. Since it was a rental, outdoor antennas were out. We could barely get signals out of Southfield.

Back in the day I had a roof mount max size array with an RF amplifier and could get enough signal but always had a lot of ghosting. I have to assume with digital you can't get ghosting from multi-path reception issues- but it can still buffer or drop out.

[chasfh]

35 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Unless you're located too far from the "Sticks" to get any decent reception without erecting your own tower

True, although vast majority, I'd say probably 90%, of all cord cutters live within signal coverage.

[chasfh]

33 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Seriously, since the conversion to digital, I don't think I've talked to anyone this far away (A^2) who is using over the air.  On the west side of A^2 we never got analog over the air very well from Det even with pretty large antennae - Toledo was as good and then you needed a rotor to get back and forth. Is the range for broadcast digital supposed to be worse, better, comparable?

FWIW: https://www.wildtalk.com/knowledge-base/range-digital-vs-analogue/

[gehringer_2]

51 minutes ago, chasfh said:

FWIW: https://www.wildtalk.com/knowledge-base/range-digital-vs-analogue/

Hard to compare whether pixelation and freezing is better or worse than snow and ghosting. I think it may be easier to acclimate to a poor but consistent image than a better one that is in and out, but that could just be me, because that's what I'd known for years and am already conditioned to.

[oblong]

You could also use a local Fox affiliate app for games on Fox, called "Fox local".  It basically broadcasts whatever is on that channel.  I use it on the TV in the office in the morning to watch the local news instead of the xfinity app, which I could also use.  It runs cool featurettes during commercial time, old clips, etc.  I assume it's not blacked out for sporting events but never tried it.

 

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Hard to compare whether pixelation and freezing is better or worse than snow and ghosting.

You asked only about whether one has more distance potential than the other.

[gehringer_2]

27 minutes ago, chasfh said:

You asked only about whether one has more distance potential than the other.

I suppose there isn't a simple answer to the question because it depends on what is an acceptable level of communication for each purpose. For instance if you were doing file transfers, you wouldn't care how many drop outs you had as long as the total rate of  confirmed IP package reassembly was reasonable. So for that purpose maybe you are  'in range', but to watch a sporting event with a bunch of stops and pixelations with the same rate of good data transfer might be unacceptable. 

I should have specified I'm interested in hearing what kind of actual experience people have had with over the air digital TV broadcast.

[chasfh]

14 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I suppose there isn't a simple answer to the question because it depends on what is an acceptable level of communication for each purpose. For instance if you were doing file transfers, you wouldn't care how many drop outs you had as long as the total rate of  confirmed IP package reassembly was reasonable. So for that purpose maybe you are  'in range', but to watch a sporting event with a bunch of stops and pixelations with the same rate of good data transfer might be unacceptable. 

I should have specified I'm interested in hearing what kind of actual experience people have had with over the air digital TV broadcast.

l live in a large city close to its downtown and I don’t reliably get maybe a dozen of the 60-odd channels, and that’s because in my neighborhood the houses stands literally ten feet apart, which creates a lot of interference. But when I do get any of the channels, I get them perfectly.

Contrast to when I was growing up in Warren, about 12 miles from downtown, where we would get fuzz and snow and double-imaging on literally every channel we could pull down, and we didn’t have anywhere near the same issues of interference from proximal buildings. Channel 2, the CBS affiliate, was especially bad for double-imaging, and I remember everyone I knew at the time had the same problem with the same channel.

Edited February 11 by chasfh

[gehringer_2]

41 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I don’t reliably get maybe a dozen of the 60-odd channels

In SE Michigan I'd consider 12 on the air sources pretty good. I'm more amazed there are 60 broadcast sources on the windy side of the lake.

[Deleterious]

#2 after Lake Placid?

 

[oblong]

I was watching the NBA slam dunk contest and it was Craig Sager who broke the news to us.  I will never forget that.  I saw Buster a few weeks later at a WWF event af Joe Louis. Mike Tyson was going to be the referee in a match. 

[chasfh]

13 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

In SE Michigan I'd consider 12 on the air sources pretty good. I'm more amazed there are 60 broadcast sources on the windy side of the lake.

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[chasfh]

Not a pet peeve, which is why it’s here and not in Pet Peeves, although this might be more aggravating than amusing to some.

I generally drive over the speed limit. Not by a lot, though. In the city, I’l go probably 35 in a 30; maybe 40 if it’s a five-lane road like North or Western. That same plenty fast and fairly controllable considering the amount of parked cars, bicycles, and pedestrians crossing you generally encounter on such a street.

So I’m driving 35 in a 30 on Armitage, and I look in the mirror and this guy is really gaining on me. I can tell it’s not a cop car, so I just keep going. But he come right up on my tail, I mean, I can’t see his headlights anymore, he’s that close, going 35 in a 30 behind me.

This goes on for another block or so, and I finally decide I’m going to have to pull over and let him by. So I put on the right turn signal and pull as far over along the parked cars as I can so he can pass me.

What I didn’t expect was once I did, I could hear him floor the car behind me, honk the horn as he’s going around catching up to me, and as he’s abreast of me passing—yeah, it’s a “he”, what a shock—he’s apparently yelling while wildly waving a middle finger toward me. And then he speeds off at what looks like 50 or 60 mph. On Armitage, for Christ’s sake. A two-driving-lane road.

And I had to laugh. I mean, why not? None of whatever he thinks happened was my fault. I did what I was supposed to do, I think. I would think he’d give me a wave of thanks. Nope. I guess he was mad I was keeping him from speeding at his speed at all. It was a completely irrational and inexplicable response on his part. But you can’t get mad at an obviously crazy person acting out, can you? To what end? So how could I not laugh?

[Biff Mayhem]

19 hours ago, chasfh said:

Not a pet peeve, which is why it’s here and not in Pet Peeves, although this might be more aggravating than amusing to some.

*snip*

As a fellow prickly person, game recognizes game. You, sir, are the Michael Jordan of prickly. That might come off insulting but thats not the intention. I get so much of what prickles you and am amazed at how deep the rabbit hole goes. 

[oblong]

me too...

Bill Burr was on a show the other week, not long after the fires in LA, and said his therapist told him it's a way of blocking out bigger issues.  Not sure if he was serious or just playing his bit but it makes sense.  So he could blow off and be calm after a big thing, like his house burning down, "ah well you know... it's just stuff.  we're ok.  Good to start fresh ya'know" but then go ape **** when the toaster isn't consistent.  You compartmentalize the big stuff  but compensate by overreacting to the little stuff.  

My wife saw it and just looked at me....

 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

me too...

Bill Burr was on a show the other week, not long after the fires in LA, and said his therapist told him it's a way of blocking out bigger issues.  Not sure if he was serious or just playing his bit but it makes sense.  So he could blow off and be calm after a big thing, like his house burning down, "ah well you know... it's just stuff.  we're ok.  Good to start fresh ya'know" but then go ape **** when the toaster isn't consistent.  You compartmentalize the big stuff  but compensate by overreacting to the little stuff.  

My wife saw it and just looked at me....

 

LOL - my father was absolutley like that, he'd read you the riot act over some piddly thing, and then you'd really screw up and be sure you were going to get murdered, and he be like - "well you did mess that up, try not to do it again".

Edited February 18 by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, Biff Mayhem said:

As a fellow prickly person, game recognizes game. You, sir, are the Michael Jordan of prickly. That might come off insulting but thats not the intention. I get so much of what prickles you and am amazed at how deep the rabbit hole goes. 

Guy comes up and tails me close, I politely move over after signaling to let him by, he yells and flips me off as he roars by me, I laugh at the whole thing, and I’m the prickly one here? 😂

Seriously, no offense intended, but it feels as though you’ve been holding that comment for just the right time to use which, based on the story I told, seems to me to be a bit off the mark. So many other, better examples you could have used it on. 😁

[romad1]

41 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Guy comes up and tails me close, I politely move over after signaling to let him by, he yells and flips me off as he roars by me, I laugh at the whole thing, and I’m the prickly one here? 😂

Seriously, no offense intended, but it feels as though you’ve been holding that comment for just the right time to use which, based on the story I told, seems to me to be a bit off the mark. So many other, better examples you could have used it on. 😁

[David Attenborough voice over] "behold the prickleys in their purest form"

[Biff Mayhem]

47 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Guy comes up and tails me close, I politely move over after signaling to let him by, he yells and flips me off as he roars by me, I laugh at the whole thing, and I’m the prickly one here? 😂

Seriously, no offense intended, but it feels as though you’ve been holding that comment for just the right time to use which, based on the story I told, seems to me to be a bit off the mark. So many other, better examples you could have used it on. 😁

It’s your HOF quality body of work. Also your reply only rubber stamps it MJ!

[chasfh]

43 minutes ago, romad1 said:

[David Attenborough voice over] "behold the prickleys in their purest form"

Well, he did touch the rose bush ... 😁

[oblong]

Interesting article.  Blue Water traffic is up.  If you are going to Toronto it's basically the same amount of time to go that way.  Will be very interested to see how the GHB impacts this.  It's a mile south of the Ambassador and with direct connections from I 75 to the 401 should save a lot of time for the trucks.  I guess at that point the only trucks left for the Ambassador will be the Maroun owned.   Our people there live not far from where the bridge will meet the 401 so it will save us time from driving through Windsor.   Can't wait to run across that thing.

 

[Biff Mayhem]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

  Can't wait to run across that thing.

 

Put the Mackinac Bridge Labor Day walk/run on your bucket list. 

[oblong]

13 minutes ago, Biff Mayhem said:

Put the Mackinac Bridge Labor Day walk/run on your bucket list. 

It is but that weekend is hard for us to do a trip up there and back.  There's always something going on.

 

[gehringer_2]

5 hours ago, oblong said:

Interesting article.  Blue Water traffic is up.  If you are going to Toronto it's basically the same amount of time to go that way.  Will be very interested to see how the GHB impacts this.  It's a mile south of the Ambassador and with direct connections from I 75 to the 401 should save a lot of time for the trucks.  I guess at that point the only trucks left for the Ambassador will be the Maroun owned.   Our people there live not far from where the bridge will meet the 401 so it will save us time from driving through Windsor.   Can't wait to run across that thing.

 

Interesting that the big drop in traffic was around 2008 crash and those totals have not come back at either bridge. I'm going to guess an auto assembly plant or two in Ontario must have closed at the crash and never re-opened.