Phillies “Working On A Trade” For Gregory Soto

[Tenacious D]

4 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

 

So, was Chadd keeping his “intel” to himself while they both floundered last season?

[Tenacious D]

DD rolling the dice on Soto and Kimbrel.  I would not bet on them being important contributors.

[casimir]

2 hours ago, Jim Cowan said:

I don't like the way he wears his hat.  Get rid of him.

Take it easy on him.  He usually wears a helmet & mask.  He’s not used to the standard cap.

You know, that’s probably why he has that look on him.  He probably wanted to take the photo in full gear and the photo crew didn’t oblige.

Edited January 7, 2023 by casimir

[casimir]

21 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

 

Oh no, they traded Kole Clemens?  Now I’m having second thoughts.

[Sports_Freak]

3 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

 

Looks like he uses the whole field?

[casimir]

It is amusing to me that I’ve seen/heard several mentions of the Phillies unlocking something with Soto.  Sure, I’m no fan of Soto.  And I think highly of Fetter.  So I, probably biased.  But if a team were likely capable of finding and unlocking something with a relief pitcher, it would seem strange to me that it wouldn’t be the Tigers with what Fetter has done with other relievers.  It’s entirely possible Fetter & Soto aren’t a good combination, no question.  But the odds seem unlikely in my worthless opinion.

[Sports_Freak]

4 hours ago, Longgone said:

Both are excellent defensive players, and I wouldn't solidify anyone's ceiling based on the initial major league stats.

Now re-sign Chafin.

Has Michael Fulmer already been signed by someone?

[casimir]

7 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Has Michael Fulmer already been signed by someone?

It appears that he’s still a free agent.

[gehringer_2]

40 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

DD rolling the dice on Soto and Kimbrel.  I would not bet on them being important contributors.

Kimbrel is 35. That is so DD.

[gehringer_2]

22 minutes ago, casimir said:

It is amusing to me that I’ve seen/heard several mentions of the Phillies unlocking something with Soto.  Sure, I’m no fan of Soto.  And I think highly of Fetter.  So I, probably biased.  But if a team were likely capable of finding and unlocking something with a relief pitcher, it would seem strange to me that it wouldn’t be the Tigers with what Fetter has done with other relievers.  It’s entirely possible Fetter & Soto aren’t a good combination, no question.  But the odds seem unlikely in my worthless opinion.

Meh - I doubt there is a locking or unlocking to be done. He has to throw his breaking ball for srtikes. A breaking ball he already knows perfectly well how to throw and that he has had success with in the past. Soto's problem isn't advice, it's pure execution. He may or may not straighten himself out, and some coach may claim credit, but it will  just be resume luck.

[Tigermojo]

The thing I like most about the trade is Maton sounds solid defensively and Vierling should be solid in RF. We went from guys who don't hit much and can't field to guys who can field and might hit a bit with more years of control. The pitching staff will be very happy with the defensive upgrade.

Harris seems to be gathering as many 22-26 year olds with potential as he can so they will all hit their primes in the next 2-5 years.

[Jim Cowan]

56 minutes ago, casimir said:

Take it easy on him.  He usually wears a helmet & mask.  He’s not used to the standard cap.

You know, that’s probably why he has that look on him.  He probably wanted to take the photo in full gear and the photo crew didn’t oblige.

He looks like he should be working for Jim Adduci.

[Jim Cowan]

27 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Kimbrel is 35. That is so DD.

Fond memories of Joe Nathan.

[mtutiger]

Reading Stavenhagen's article on the trade... he hasn't been talked about as much, but the more one reads about Sands the more one thinks that Rogers may have to earn his way onto the 26 man roster. Harris seems to think pretty highly of him

[Jim Cowan]

6 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Reading Stavenhagen's article on the trade... he hasn't been talked about as much, but the more one reads about Sands the more one thinks that Rogers may have to earn his way onto the 26 man roster. Harris seems to think pretty highly of him

I checked his stats from last year, he threw out baserunners at a very high rate.

[Tigermojo]

I love the competition. Why hand any job to players who haven't proven anything yet? Should be an interesting spring training.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

So, was Chadd keeping his “intel” to himself while they both floundered last season?

I think the answer to that was probably no.

[mtutiger]

I totally forgot about this, but Vierling followed Alec Bohm in blowing up Josh Hader's close to year long homer-less streak in June 2022

 

[AlaskanTigersFan]

3 hours ago, Jim Cowan said:

I don't like the way he wears his hat.  Get rid of him.

So you're the one that got rid of Fernando Rodney........ jerk.

[Stanley70]

Seems like a necessity trade to me. These guys are unlikely to ever become everyday regulars on good teams. But the Tigers needed to fill a couple of holes and they could become nice role players, and if they're lucky a little better than that.

Ideally teams in the Tigers situation should aim for higher ceiling guys that are maybe a couple years away. Malloy and now Maton have OBP skills that will be refreshing at least. 

[Tiger337]

5 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

correct. This deal is pretty much a nothing burger. Deck chair re-arrange on the Titanic as we used to say.

It's not an exciting deal, but I would rather have three position players over an inconsistent reliever.  I also like that Harris continues to acquire players than draw walks while dumping players who don't.  He's appears to be targeting the opposite profile of players versus what Avila targeted.  Vierling apparently has tremendous speed as well.  

Edited January 8, 2023 by Tiger337

[mtutiger]

Just a tremendous amount of whiplash now that Keith Law seems to like all of the Tigers move under this new FO

[Sports_Freak]

I wonder if Philly fans were happy to get Wockenfuss and Wilson for Willie Hernandez and Dave Bergman? I wish Soto luck, I never totally disliked him. He just....didn't matter on a very bad team.

[Motor City Sonics]

Gregory Soto is a pimp.  He could never have outfought Alex Lange.  

 

Who is our closer?     Well, does it matter?   Gotta have leads first. 

Leads? 

The good leads. 

And to you they're gold, only you don't get them. 

To give them to you would just be like throwing them away

They're for closers only

[Jim Cowan]

1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Gregory Soto is a pimp.  He could never have outfought Alex Lange.  

 

Who is our closer?     Well, does it matter?   Gotta have leads first. 

Leads? 

The good leads. 

And to you they're gold, only you don't get them. 

To give them to you would just be like throwing them away

They're for closers only

Nice double there.