buddha Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Having Hooker ready to be the backup by week one is an aggressive timeline. I would rather go with Sudfeld as the backup and even consider starting Hooker on the IR like they did with Williams. Hooker is about 2024 and beyond. that's probably true. and if so, they need to find someone better than sudfeld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 USA TODAY not a fan of our draft: NFL draft 2023 grades: Eagles lead top team classes as Cowboys, Lions flop https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/nate-davis/2023/04/29/nfl-draft-2023-grades-cowboys-steelers-eagles-team/11764697002/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 They ranked the Patriots ahead of the Lions and 49ers who took a kicker and punter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 People are too concerned with where players were taken. For example, no one would have been too upset if the lions would have taken Branch with the 18th pick. He was considered a sure fire first rounder, even invited to the green room. If you blinded the first 5 picks from what order they were picked in most everyone would agree the lions got a haul. That’s why I think perceived value is such a nerd argument, it’s meant for a vacuum. Look at Campbell and Branch. Lions didn’t absolutely need Branch, they were fortunate to get him where they did. But they were willing to not get him. Different philosophy for Campbell. Holmes and Dan concluded the was their guy. He was the one they wanted because LB was such a need on this team. They went and ensured they got him, didn’t leave it to chance that he was there in the 2nd round. Love the strategy. The numbers of this draft class is in historic category for Holmes and the Lions. Let’s see how it plays out on the field now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) The draft is a mixed bag for me. The first two picks were horrible in terms of positional value. But this is question for their judgement. They did not like the defensive ends/tackles/corners after Anderson and Weatherspoon were gone. And look at the the consensus draft boards vs how the draft went. The draft pundits were way off. Branch and LaPorta are good meat and potatoes picks. Increase the talent level and fill positions of short and long term need. The Western Kentucky Kid and the OL from William and Mary kid are the picks where you find a James Houston type. It's totally based on a workout or a conviction from a guy in your personnel department. They are exactly the kind of picks you make later in draft. Both guys could bust; one could be a contributor. At this point, it's how you develop players. And they have proved that they can develop guys they draft. And I love the fact that Holmes was willing to go up and down the board looking for opportunities to get more picks. Getting a 2025 4th is significant even if it doesn't give you value for 2 years. It can be moved in future trades. Don't forget they have a 2024 3rd for Hockenson. They want nothing to do with guys they didn't draft. Edited April 30, 2023 by kdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) Retweets are not endorsements. Edited April 30, 2023 by kdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 So the Lions are down there with the Chiefs and 49ers, two of the best teams in the league eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Those teams have unique advantages: Chiefs have Mahomes 49ers have Kyle Shanahan That gives them a significant margin of error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Lions have the guy who drafted Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Walter Football had Mahomes as an early 2nd round pick. Compared him to Jay Cutler which was a common comparison among draft experts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 All these internet post draft grades do is just grade teams based off where the online pundits had guys ranked and where you ended up drafting them. If you got fortunate and one of the high ranked guys fell to you then you get a good grade, if you draft a guy that they had ranked lower you get a bad grade. If the draft was that simple you wouldn't need 25 guys in your War room, hell any of us idiot message board posters can look at somebody's big board and make picks just based off that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 According to NFL.com, Chiefs got a B+ for taking Mahomes. Cleveland got an A for trading back and not drafting Watson and taking Jabril Peppers and Deshone Kizer. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, buddha said: that's probably true. and if so, they need to find someone better than sudfeld. I don't like the idea of Sudfeld as QB2. I don't think he's above replacement level and I want Hooker to redshirt 2023, healthy or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanTigersFan Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 11 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: I don't like the idea of Sudfeld as QB2. I don't think he's above replacement level and I want Hooker to redshirt 2023, healthy or not. We still have a lot of cap space. Time for Teddy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 On 4/29/2023 at 5:29 PM, MichiganCardinal said: DT: Alim McNeill / Isaiah Buggs / Josh Paschal / Brodric Martin / Levi Onwuzurike... C+ The only true "weakness" I see on this team right now. This was a position group that definitely could have stood to improve in the offseason, but no real improvement has been made to this point, unless Martin is better than I think he is out of the gate as a rookie. These players performed well enough down the stretch, and if they can replicate that performance, I think they'll be alright, as in not actively costing us game. I worry about ground-and-pound teams with really good offensive lines (notably the Eagles and 49ers) having their way though. I agree that this is probably the weakest area on the team, and given Holmes past drafting track record I'm a little surprised that no DT were taking earlier. My only thought is maybe the Lions are getting good medical reports on Onwuzurike and expect him to actually be a contributor this season. That seems questionable to me, but obviously I'm not in the Lions front office. I supposed it's also possible that Paschal steps up in his 2nd year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 20 minutes ago, RedRamage said: I agree that this is probably the weakest area on the team, and given Holmes past drafting track record I'm a little surprised that no DT were taking earlier. My only thought is maybe the Lions are getting good medical reports on Onwuzurike and expect him to actually be a contributor this season. That seems questionable to me, but obviously I'm not in the Lions front office. I supposed it's also possible that Paschal steps up in his 2nd year. I think they do have belief that a healthy Paschal will contribute. Last year was pretty much lost due to injuries, some of which he had in college… Levi not so much. I don’t think it was a conscious decision not to address it. I think there just weren’t DTs high on their board when they picked. I’d feel a lot better though if we had signed Calais Campbell though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 That explains it NFLPA advises agents that sports books are snitching on players who use gambling apps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 "i'll just this gambling app on the internet, its totally anonymous!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 I guess I'm wondering why they seemed to snitch on only Lions? Am I to believe that other than the guy in Washington only Lions players were using this app? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_R Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 37 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I guess I'm wondering why they seemed to snitch on only Lions? Am I to believe that other than the guy in Washington only Lions players were using this app? Yes, one could imagine an unscrupulous book maker (is there a scrupulous one?) selectively revealing information like this to alter their odds of paying out. I don’t know how the NFL/NFLPA can allow these suspensions to stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 21 minutes ago, Jason_R said: Yes, one could imagine an unscrupulous book maker (is there a scrupulous one?) selectively revealing information like this to alter their odds of paying out. I don’t know how the NFL/NFLPA can allow these suspensions to stand. I didn’t know until I read the memo that the gambling policy wasn’t collectively bargained for. Seems like a mistake on the NFLPA’s part if the NFL is going to paint with 1/3 season strokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 3 hours ago, sagnam said: That explains it NFLPA advises agents that sports books are snitching on players who use gambling apps Quote It’s unclear why the union sent the email to agents and not to the players. It’s not for the agents to warn the players not to gamble on their phones. It’s for the union to issue that warning. Frankly, it almost seems as if the union is warning agents so that the union can blame the agents for not warning the players, if the violations continue. Do we know that the union didn't also warn the players? The union might simply be looking at this and thinking: Player aren't going to pay attention to us... or at least they won't pay enough attention to just us, but their agents are a more serious source. I work in the higher ed field and I'm acutely aware students don't always read emails sent to them. Some of it is because they don't care, some is because their stressed out and don't really ingest what's said to them, and some of it is communication fatigue: "That's just one more email from the university/college... they send me crap like every other day and most of it's totally unimportant." I can tell you that we'd love to be able to send information to mom and dad at times (along with sending it to the students) because mom and dad will be more likely to read it and if they do they will harp on the students to make sure the message comes through. This could simply be the union understanding the players will listen to the agent but not necessarily to them. On a side note: If agents get a percentage of the players contract... if players get suspended and lose a paycheck, do agents then lose that money too? If so, that's another reason to get the agents involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 9 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: I think they do have belief that a healthy Paschal will contribute. Last year was pretty much lost due to injuries, some of which he had in college… Levi not so much. I don’t think it was a conscious decision not to address it. I think there just weren’t DTs high on their board when they picked. I’d feel a lot better though if we had signed Calais Campbell though. They did address it, they traded three picks to move up and take one in the 3rd round. And i don't think they see Paschal as a dt, he's an end, like Cominsky who can shift inside on passing downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 i dont think the lions are done. june 1st cuts havent happend yet either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.