TP_Fan Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I really don't want them to get into a habit of signing players and then a year or two later asking them to take a pay cut. Okwara, Harris, and Vaitai really had no leverage because they stood to lose more by being cut but I don't want to make it a habit of putting your players over a barrel. I wouldn’t say you’re putting them over a barrel. They are doing them a favor. You said it yourself, they had no leverage, Lions didn’t put a gun to their head. They just said, hey we will keep ya and give you guaranteed money if you take the cut. Otherwise you’re free to look for a deal elsewhere, where these players won’t get what the lions are paying them. Holmes is giving these guys a real option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TP_Fan Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: I just read our cap space was 15M, 48 hours ago now up to 27M. With rookies figured in the lions have about $20M in cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, TP_Fan said: With rookies figured in the lions have about $20M in cap space. That's perfect. Just enough space to now go and sign Bobby Wagner for 2 years @ $13 million with $8 million guaranteed up front for the first year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 They saved more cap space than if they cut them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said: Was able to create more space without sacrificing room down the road or cutting any potential key or useful players like an Okwara or Vaitai. Impressive indeed. Incredible really. It also shows that players want to be here by taking paycuts to prevent getting cut outright. Okwara and Vaitai in particular took big paycuts, created around $16m of cap space between them two alone. I'm almost expecting Chark to be back now or at least one more fairly significant add of some kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I get real Eagles vibes from this team. The Eagles started 2-5 last year. They finished 7-2 to go 9-8. They add some veterans in the offseason like AJ Brown, Bradberry, and our very own CGJ. They were the trendy pick and it hinged on whether Hurts could get them there or not. The Lions started 1-6 this year. They finished 8-2 to go 9-8. They had strong free agency adding veterans like Sutton, Montgomery and CGJ. The Lions are the trendy pick. Do they come out of the gate strong like the Eagles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 58 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I really don't want them to get into a habit of signing players and then a year or two later asking them to take a pay cut. Okwara, Harris, and Vaitai really had no leverage because they stood to lose more by being cut but I don't want to make it a habit of putting your players over a barrel. All three of those are injury related. I think it’s more the reality of the game than it is holding them over a barrel. If they wanted to refuse a pay cut and take the release to go elsewhere, they were welcomed to, but I think they all knew their market wasn’t going to be anything worth writing home about. The market is what is going to dictate everybody’s pay. I’d rather be real with Vaitai and make him take a cut than try to be nice to everyone, pay Vaitai off a back injury like a starting tackle, and then not be able to afford Chark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 All these players taking pay cuts and Calvin Johnson still wants the $1 million he didn't earn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, TP_Fan said: With rookies figured in the lions have about $20M in cap space. I think you need to also account for cushions for in season moves, practice squad players being elevated, injuries etc. so I'd say it's around 8-10m to spend when calculating all the other budget spending. Still enough for one more significant add. Edited March 23, 2023 by NYLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 They still have other options if they really want to add even more. Restructuring Goff would give them a good chunk of cap. Restructuring Ragnow would open up a lot of cap. I don't think they want to go the restructure route unless necessary but they could easily fit say Chark and Wagner or possibily go after Hopkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hongbit Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 43 minutes ago, NYLion said: I think you need to also account for cushions for in season moves, practice squad players being elevated, injuries etc. so I'd say it's around 8-10m to spend when calculating all the other budget spending. Still enough for one more significant add. $10M seems like an awful high number to keep as a cushion during the season for elevating players and adding street FA’s. Are you getting this number from any specific source or figuring on your own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Total speculation by Karsh and Anderson but they were freestyling what big move the Lions might have up their sleeve with the money they are clearing and one of the names they brought up was Jeffrey Simmons the DT for the Titans. Hes due a major extension and would cost draft capital but boy would he be a force on the line and could help make our defense a legit strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: Total speculation by Karsh and Anderson but they were freestyling what big move the Lions might have up their sleeve with the money they are clearing and one of the names they brought up was Jeffrey Simmons the DT for the Titans. Hes due a major extension and would cost draft capital but boy would he be a force on the line and could help make our defense a legit strength. I would be down for that. Tennessee is in a curios spot. They sit at 11 and may be thinking QB. Could something be worked out where they move to 6 and include Simmons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I would be down for that. Tennessee is in a curios spot. They sit at 11 and may be thinking QB. Could something be worked out where they move to 6 and include Simmons? Total shot in the dark but how about our 2 1sts for Simmons and 11? This way the Titans could potentially get a qb if they want or maybe even Carter who could be a cheaper replacement if they want to go that route. We get one of the best young defenders in football at a position of need and still would be in position to get a top CB or offensive player like Johnston or Robinson if we were to choose that route. Like I said just a shot in the dark, have no real idea what the market value is for a player like him that is due an extension. I could be over or underpaying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley70 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I am sure they are not banking all that money, so they probably have something in mind to spend it on. Chark hopefully and then maybe save some for after the draft to see what needs they may still have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 36 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: Total speculation by Karsh and Anderson but they were freestyling what big move the Lions might have up their sleeve with the money they are clearing and one of the names they brought up was Jeffrey Simmons the DT for the Titans. Hes due a major extension and would cost draft capital but boy would he be a force on the line and could help make our defense a legit strength. There's our inside pass rush. I like the idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: Total shot in the dark but how about our 2 1sts for Simmons and 11? This way the Titans could potentially get a qb if they want or maybe even Carter who could be a cheaper replacement if they want to go that route. We get one of the best young defenders in football at a position of need and still would be in position to get a top CB or offensive player like Johnston or Robinson if we were to choose that route. Like I said just a shot in the dark, have no real idea what the market value is for a player like him that is due an extension. I could be over or underpaying. or they could stay put and potentially get Carter, who profiles as the next jeffrey simmons only a lot cheaper right now and with a lot more potentially productive future left. i wouldnt trade two first round picks for jeffrey simmons. maybe 18. that said, if there is a qb left at #6, all offers are on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, buddha said: or they could stay put and potentially get Carter, who profiles as the next jeffrey simmons only a lot cheaper right now and with a lot more potentially productive future left. i wouldnt trade two first round picks for jeffrey simmons. maybe 18. that said, if there is a qb left at #6, all offers are on the table. You're not really trading two firsts for Simmons. You're also getting the 11th pick back from Tennessee. Carter is a complete unknown and may not even be available. For a team that wants to take the next step, give me the proven stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 deforest buckner was almost an identical situation, traded by the niners to the colts for the #13 pick in the draft. simmons would have similar value, one would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, Motown Bombers said: You're not really trading two firsts for Simmons. You're also getting the 11th pick back from Tennessee. Carter is a complete unknown and may not even be available. For a team that wants to take the next step, give me the proven stud. trade him for #18. they cant take clancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, buddha said: or they could stay put and potentially get Carter, who profiles as the next jeffrey simmons only a lot cheaper right now and with a lot more potentially productive future left. i wouldnt trade two first round picks for jeffrey simmons. maybe 18. that said, if there is a qb left at #6, all offers are on the table. In the scenario I posted we'd get Simmons and pick 11 so it basically be like giving up 18 and sliding back 5 spots. And yeah we could just draft Carter but he of course has question marks where as we would be getting the sure thing with Simmons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Tennessee may prefer the 18th pick so they can package it with the 11th pick to Arizona for the 3rd pick. Either way there are options beneficial to both teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Simmons cap number is $10.7 million. They can easily fit that in or when giving him an extension reduce that number and give them the ability to re-sign Chark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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