Motown Bombers Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 The key piece is unfollowing the Titans. Sounds like trouble in paradise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 I think the Titans are willing to move on from Willis already if the opportunity presents itself. If Richardson and/or Levis are there at 6, I would definitely approve of a 6 for 11 and Simmons trade. I don’t think it would take more. Everybody knows the Titans can’t afford him. Then go and get Bijan Robinson or Quentin Johnston at 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 I'd do a 6 for 11 and Simmons trade or even 18 straight up for Simmons trade in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 I'm not sure how 3 way trades work in the NFL, or if they're possible, but I could see something like Arizona getting 11 and 18, and potentially some future high round comp from Tennessee, Tennessee getting 3, and the Lions getting Simmons. Just add some mid round filler to make it work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Just now, Motown Bombers said: I'm not sure how 3 way trades work in the NFL, or if they're possible, but I could see something like Arizona getting 11 and 18, and potentially some future high round comp from Tennessee, Tennessee getting 3, and the Lions getting Simmons. Just add some mid round filler to make it work. It could just be two separate trades. Before finalizing with us Tennessee could potentially call Arizona and see if they'd be down for 11 and 18 if they were able to acquire that pick. If AZ says says yes or says that they it would only take a little bit more then they could make the trade with us then work out the final details of the trade up with AZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Another scenario is sending the 6th pick to Tennessee for Simmons and a 2024 1st. Tennessee can then send 6 and 11 to Arizona. If Tennessee is rebuilding, that 2024 pick can be a high pick. It's more risky than the other trade but I can see all teams being happy with that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 It makes no sense for the Titans to not extend Simmons and build their defense around him. They got him at pick 19 and he’s turned into one of the best DTs in the game. This is exactly what you dream of happening when you turn in the draft card. If they don’t extend him, they may as well start trading all their future #1’s. Those are worth a mint to other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 only issue would be whether you want to invest that much of your cap in simmons. i cant imagine a deal would get done until tennessee sees who is available at 6. you figure the lions freed up all that cap space for something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, Hongbit said: It makes no sense for the Titans to not extend Simmons and build their defense around him. They got him at pick 19 and he’s turned into one of the best DTs in the game. This is exactly what you dream of happening when you turn in the draft card. If they don’t extend him, they may as well start trading all their future #1’s. Those are worth a mint to other teams. They've gone this late without extending him. They did the same with AJ Brown. Maybe it's just not a well run franchise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 14 minutes ago, buddha said: only issue would be whether you want to invest that much of your cap in simmons. i cant imagine a deal would get done until tennessee sees who is available at 6. you figure the lions freed up all that cap space for something... Does Tennessee have any Goff contracts the Lions can take on to lower the price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 minute ago, sagnam said: Does Tennessee have any Goff contracts the Lions can take on to lower the price? Tannehill and the Lions desperately need an experienced backup. Win-Win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holygoat Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, sagnam said: Does Tennessee have any Goff contracts the Lions can take on to lower the price? The price to acquire him isn't the issue, it's the cost to keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 The only source is ESPN but I would be down for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holygoat Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 I'd rather draft a WR and let someone else take Sutton's $18 million cap hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, holygoat said: I'd rather draft a WR and let someone else take Sutton's $18 million cap hit. His salary isn't guaranteed in 24 or 25 and the Lions cleared out a lot of cap space this year. Unless they are going after Simmons, there aren't a lot of other players left to use this cap space on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 If the Lions were trading for a WR would you rather Courtland Sutton or DeAndre Hopkins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 4 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: I think the Titans are willing to move on from Willis already if the opportunity presents itself. If Richardson and/or Levis are there at 6, I would definitely approve of a 6 for 11 and Simmons trade. I don’t think it would take more. Everybody knows the Titans can’t afford him. Then go and get Bijan Robinson or Quentin Johnston at 11. I would absolutely be on board with this trade. But I would hope that Gonzalez falls to 11 and select him there. And then draft Bijan at 18. 2nd & 3rd rounders can be used for: WR, QB, LB, OL. Pick 3 of 4 and drop one of them to the 5th round... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Sutton is younger and cheaper, contract wise at least, so probably Sutton. Sutton would be a perfect Chark replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Also: Do NOT want to trade for one of those WR's. For me it's Simmons or just hold onto the cap space for later. It doesn't need to burn a hole through everyone's pockets... it CAN be used at a later date... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holygoat Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 52 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: His salary isn't guaranteed in 24 or 25 and the Lions cleared out a lot of cap space this year. Unless they are going after Simmons, there aren't a lot of other players left to use this cap space on. His 2023 cap hit is over $18 million. If the Lions are gonna use that much on a single player, I'd prefer it be DL rather than WR when there are plenty of WR options in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 minute ago, holygoat said: His 2023 cap hit is over $18 million. If the Lions are gonna use that much on a single player, I'd prefer it be DL rather than WR when there are plenty of WR options in the draft. Outside of Simmons, how many DL players are available that you can use that cap space on in 2023? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 57 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: If the Lions were trading for a WR would you rather Courtland Sutton or DeAndre Hopkins? depends on the price. if hopkins is a one year rental, the price should be low, like a 5th round pick. sutton's price would be higher but he's younger. still, he's awfully pricey. maybe #55. more likely #81. i'd rather deal #18 for simmons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Sean Payton just said that they aren't trading Jeudy or Sutton. Not sure if that means anything or not since teams have been known to go back on what they say but if you take it at face value it appears that Sutton is off the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holygoat Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: Outside of Simmons, how many DL players are available that you can use that cap space on in 2023? Is there a rule that states the Lions must use it all on one player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_R Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 4 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: Sean Payton just said that they aren't trading Jeudy or Sutton. Not sure if that means anything or not since teams have been known to go back on what they say but if you take it at face value it appears that Sutton is off the table. I think it means they were trying to hold a fire sale then realized buyers expected the price to be low. But Sutton makes too much money for a guy ESPN analytics has as the #62 receiver in the NFL (tied with TJ Hockenson, incidentally). https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nfl-receiver-rankings/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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