RedRamage Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 32 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: Expensive gambling loss. Maybe this was part of his no-sweat-first-bet and he'll get it all back? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 3 hours ago, NYLion said: It was nice to be out of SOL for a few months. It's a few months of good times that I'll never forget because now we're back. Of course it had to be Jamo of all people. The player on the Lions with the most character question marks and arguably the player they're relying on the most going forward to ignite the offense is doing more knucklehead things. This kid just feels like another "what if" in a long line of Lions "what ifs". Overreaction perhaps but he's been on thin ice as is and I'm conditioned to always think the worst as a Lions fan. Now this changes the draft strategy on multiple fronts I'd imagine. They'll probably be forced to take a receiver sooner now and I would think that Carter is completely off the board. Don't need any more bad PR or risk taking on high picks, that's for sure. Just wonderful You’re not conditioned to think the worst because you’re a lions fan. Thinking the worst is self taught and self managed. We are all lions fans here, not everyone thinks the worst. I don’t think this should change the draft strategy really. It’s only 6 games. That shouldn’t impact who you’re planning on having around another 5 years. People who are calling this SOL are doing it reflexively. JaMo wasn’t even part of the offense last year. Now he has to wait another 6 games. He is basically a rookie and will likely turnout fine. This doesn’t really change anything, or at least it shouldn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Weren't Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes trying to change the culture of this franchise? This seems like a widespread problem with the team and broader organization. They are trying to change the culture of winning and losing. No one will give a **** about this if they start 8-2. This will all be forgotten by the second series of the first game. It’s good offseason fodder. Culture is a dumb discussion point in sports, all people ever really mean is winning more than losing. Culture is a useless term in sports. MJ basically made his teammates cry, but he won constantly, so no one cared. No one was complaining about that culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 37 minutes ago, TP_Fan said: This will all be forgotten by the second series of the first game. Until a WR gets hurt or we lamented the lack of a deep passing game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 If you told me yesterday that news would break today that multiple players and staff on the Lions were involved in a gambling ring, I think this is about the best outcome we could have hoped for. The players who were released may have likely been released by September anyway. With Jamo able to fully participate in training camp, I would expect him to storm out of the gates in the 7th game and be an instant playmaker. I don't expect training wheels in the way he got late last year. He'll have fresh legs too in a time when many guys are starting to get hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 The issue is can the Lions weather the start and not start 1-6 again. Last year if they could have got a stop or two against Seattle or Philadelphia or Minnesota they would have made the playoffs. I expect the defense to be much improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, buddha said: there are a litany of things you are legally able to do outside the workplace that are not allowed inside the workplace. alcohol and gambling are just one of them. no porn viewing at work for example. some companies dont allow you to view ANY internet sites at work. the nfl obviously has concerns about their players gambling given the nature of their business and the perception of competitiveness. also, im sure this is in the cba, which means the players themselves agreed to it. Any moron knows why certain things that are legal are not allowed in a work environment. Obviously, drugs and alcohol are impairments. They can cause a dangerous work environment and create tremendous liability for a company. The same is true for porn, which is an easy sexual harassment liability for any organization. That’s why these things are not allowed in the office. What is the reason that online gambling on non-NFL games through a legal business entity is not allowed in the facility? There is absolutely no correlation between this activity and anything around competitiveness or the trust of the game. They aren’t betting on NFL. There aren’t bookies or other shady types that may try to compromise a player. There is no impact or perceived impact on the outcome or result of any NFL game. Honestly, these suspensions will have a bigger impact on the outcome of NFL games than anything these players bet on their apps. I’m honestly confused why this crime has such a heavy penalty for doing this at a facility, on a team plane, in the locker room hours before a game. This is 3 times the length of suspension given to guys that beat their wives. Watson got the same for 20+ sexual assault cases. Makes no sense to me why 6 games for a first offense. Edited April 21, 2023 by Hongbit 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Hongbit said: There is absolutely no correlation between this activity and anything around competitiveness or the trust of the game. They aren’t betting on NFL. There aren’t bookies or other shady types that may try to compromise a player. There is no impact or perceived impact on the outcome or result of any NFL game. Honestly, these suspensions will have a bigger impact on the outcome of NFL games than anything these players bet on their apps. I’m honestly confused why this crime has such a heavy penalty for doing this at a facility, on a team plane, in the locker room hours before a game. This is 3 times the length of suspension given to guys that beat their wives. Watson got the same for 20+ sexual assault cases. Makes no sense to me why 6 games for a first offense. Slippery slope. Same reason you can't start drinking at 4:50 on Friday at your desk. By having players gamble at the facility you risk creating a slippery slope. You also risk word getting out and media/public reporting on lions gamble on games during practice type headlines which would be a disaster. So its easy just to say no to everywhere that is team related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 1 minute ago, KL2 said: Slippery slope. Same reason you can't start drinking at 4:50 on Friday at your desk. By having players gamble at the facility you risk creating a slippery slope. You also risk word getting out and media/public reporting on lions gamble on games during practice type headlines which would be a disaster. So its easy just to say no to everywhere that is team related. But if we argue it's a slippery slope, why does the location the buttons are pressed matter? Whether the player does it in the lounge at Allen Park (not allowed), or a couple hundred yards away on the sidewalk, it's the same behavior. I think Hongbit is right that a 1/3 season banishment is entirely excessive for conduct that - when compared to other punishments levied by the NFL - is an absolute nothing-burger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 1 minute ago, KL2 said: Slippery slope. Same reason you can't start drinking at 4:50 on Friday at your desk. By having players gamble at the facility you risk creating a slippery slope. You also risk word getting out and media/public reporting on lions gamble on games during practice type headlines which would be a disaster. So it’s easy just to say no to everywhere that is team related. That doesn’t make sense. Players are allowed to gamble. If the league was concerned about a slippery slope, they would make it illegal to do any type of gambling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KL2 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: We're there any betting apps then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, KL2 said: We're there any betting apps then? RapSheet not knowing is probably more significant. I would presume the policy applies to him as an NFL employee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 6 hours ago, KL2 said: They also promote beer but you can't show up to a game drunk Sure you can. As long as you're a drunk who behaves well. J-Will could have just claimed he was in the parking lot and thought that didn't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 1 hour ago, KL2 said: Slippery slope. Same reason you can't start drinking at 4:50 on Friday at your desk. By having players gamble at the facility you risk creating a slippery slope. You also risk word getting out and media/public reporting on lions gamble on games during practice type headlines which would be a disaster. So its easy just to say no to everywhere that is team related. I could probably drink a beer at the end of my work week at my soon-to-be new job. Not get blind, stinking drunk, but a beer yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Funny story about drinking at work in radio. My former Program Director Greg Ausham worked in Milwaukee and when the morning show took vacations they would have Joe Walsh come in to fill in for a week. Couple times a year. Before Joe embraced sobriety, I'll set the scene. It's about 9:15 am............Morning show typically leaves the studo around 9:50am. Walsh knocks on Greg's door Joe: Hey Greg, how are ya. Got anymore of those little mini cans of Budweiser? Greg: Yeah, there's about 50 of them in the fridge Joe: There was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Williams could have ran outside, crossed the street, placed his bet, and went back to practice and everything would have been fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Williams could have ran outside, crossed the street, placed his bet, and went back to practice and everything would have been fine. That's what I think makes six games ridiculous. I understand that the NFL is mad that they couldn't ban all gambling outright, but the answer to that isn't to make a mountain out of a mole hill with suspensions lasting longer than those for abusing children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 46 minutes ago, KL2 said: We're there any betting apps then? No but there also wasn't official betting partners of the NFL either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Hongbit said: That doesn’t make sense. Players are allowed to gamble. If the league was concerned about a slippery slope, they would make it illegal to do any type of gambling. Tell us you don't know how slippery slopes work without telling us you don't know how slippery slopes work. Edited April 22, 2023 by KL2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: No but there also wasn't official betting partners of the NFL either. Again the betting partners is irrelevant. Beer has long been a sponsored but you can't show up to a game drunk. Hasn't been too many fans who disagree there. The pat mcaffey thing is irrelevant cause the tech didn't exist. Now it does which is why it's outlawed in use on team facilities. My point wasn't to question u in this just the silliness of the point of the tweet and comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: Williams could have ran outside, crossed the street, placed his bet, and went back to practice and everything would have been fine. Yep but he didn't and got caught and broke the rules. Now he has to face the music. That's how rules/laws usually work. Drive 90 on the interstate in downtown get arrested. Do it in nowhere Texas and its fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: That's what I think makes six games ridiculous. I understand that the NFL is mad that they couldn't ban all gambling outright, but the answer to that isn't to make a mountain out of a mole hill with suspensions lasting longer than those for abusing children. I think you are unserselling, dramatically, the impact gambling and sports has. It's treated as treason because it is. Baseball almost didn't recover after 1919 because the integrity of the game was questioned. The whole sport because of the activity of 8 guys and a bad owner. One player abusing a child impacts one player and his decision negatively impacts his own team on the field. If you have a player betting on, and worse throwing games, you impact the whole sport. It's silly to just paint it as nbd, gambling is a huge deal and it's why it's still plastered as rule 1 on mlb clubhouses. Edited April 22, 2023 by KL2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, KL2 said: Tell us you don't know how slippery slopes work without telling us you don't know how slippery slopes work. This is an Eric Ebron level post. Edited April 22, 2023 by Hongbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hongbit said: This is an Eric Ebron level post. I agree your post was a big drop by you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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