1984Echoes Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 PPS: Meadow's career splits are .352 OBP against righties and .296 OBP against lefties... That's why I think he and Baez are perfect swaps at the #2 and #6 spots, aside from any platoon situations that occur... Quote
SoCalTiger Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 My lineup is more based on who will get the most AB's over the season. I have Greene and Baez 1 and 2 because I think they are the two best hitters we have. I am also thinking Miggy plays very little and Badoo beats out Carpenter. But I expect to be wrong as this is a tough call in January. Greene CF Baez. SS Meadows RF Haase C Maton 3B Verling LF Torkelson 1B Schoop 2B Badoo DH Quote
casimir Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 Assuming reasonable health and no other significant changes between now and then: Green will be the CF. He's earned it. Baez will be the SS. He's earned it (over the course of his career). Meadows will be the RF vs RHPs for sure. He's earned it (over the course of his career). Cabrera will be the DH around every other day at minimum when healthy. Haase will be the primary C. Everything else is probably up in the air, and lineups will likely be different on a day to day basis. Certainly there is hope that Torkelson earns 1B out of camp and that they can cobble together a roster that is well rounded and flexible as there are probably going to be many platoons, call ups, send downs, etc. Quote
Tenacious D Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 56 minutes ago, casimir said: Assuming reasonable health and no other significant changes between now and then: Green will be the CF. He's earned it. Baez will be the SS. He's earned it (over the course of his career). Meadows will be the RF vs RHPs for sure. He's earned it (over the course of his career). Cabrera will be the DH around every other day at minimum when healthy. Haase will be the primary C. Everything else is probably up in the air, and lineups will likely be different on a day to day basis. Certainly there is hope that Torkelson earns 1B out of camp and that they can cobble together a roster that is well rounded and flexible as there are probably going to be many platoons, call ups, send downs, etc. My guess is that you can write in Schoop, too, at least to start the season. Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, casimir said: ... Haase will be the primary C... I don't think this is true. I think Haase is the backup catcher UNLESS both Rogers and Sands flop. I think both are better defensive catchers and that will be the priority at that position. Also, unless... Haase ups his game behind the plate and then his chances to be the primary kick up a notch. But I think the reality will be that Haase platoons in LF some, DH's when Miggy is not healthy, and he will back up catcher. Just a guess... Quote
Jim Cowan Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 This might be the year, at last, when Cabrera bats 6th. But there would have to be 5 guys better than he is for that to happen. Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: This might be the year, at last, when Cabrera bats 6th. But there would have to be 5 guys better than he is for that to happen. I would agree with this. Although, I think on Opening Day he bats fifth and then gets pushed down as the season goes along.... Quote
casimir Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Tenacious D said: My guess is that you can write in Schoop, too, at least to start the season. Maybe, maybe not. He doesn’t control the strike zone and he isn’t really versatile. I think his defense is due for a sharp step back without the shift. Quote
casimir Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 3 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: I don't think this is true. I think Haase is the backup catcher UNLESS both Rogers and Sands flop. I think both are better defensive catchers and that will be the priority at that position. Also, unless... Haase ups his game behind the plate and then his chances to be the primary kick up a notch. But I think the reality will be that Haase platoons in LF some, DH's when Miggy is not healthy, and he will back up catcher. Just a guess... Rogers has missed a lot of game time. He might show well enough in camp, but I’d wait on it. Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, casimir said: Rogers has missed a lot of game time. He might show well enough in camp, but I’d wait on it. That's exactly what I think. Spring Training will tell all... Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 5 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: I think Haase is the backup catche My guess - Haase is going to get the ABs, and where he plays depends on whether Rogers or Sands hits. If they don't, they will suffer his defense and catch him, if one of the others hits enough to be viable, Haase will get his AB in the OF, but I think he is likely to play regularly one way or the other. Not getting Haase more than 350 AB was one of the more glaring personnel errors last season. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Can Haase play 1B? Most catchers are good with the throws, but there is really no way around the value of wingspan for a 1b and Hasse will never have that at 5' 10". Of course Torkelson isn't your ideal 6' 4" either.... Edited January 17, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote
Tiger337 Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 I am more interested in the typical line-up versus RH than the opening day line-up, but either way it's going to change frequently and none of the permutations look good. Greene CF Meadows RF Carpenter DH Baez SS Haase C Torkelson 1B Maton 3B Schoop 2B Baddoo LF Quote
casimir Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I am more interested in the typical line-up versus RH than the opening day line-up, but either way it's going to change frequently and none of the permutations look good. I thought bbref had number of different lineups used in a season, but maybe they don't? It'd be interesting to see what the total was last season and this year will stack up next to it. Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 23 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: 1 - Matt Vierling, LF 2 - Javier Baez, SS 3 - Riley Greene, CF 4 - Spencer Torkelson, 1B 5 - Miguel Cabrera, DH 6 - Austin Meadows, RF 7 - Jonathan Schoop, 2B 8 - Tyler Nevin, 3B 9 - Jake Rogers, C That was my against-LH'ers lineup. In the service of active platooning in 2023, my against-RH'ers lineup: 1 - Akil Baddoo, LF 2 - Austin Meadows, RF 3 - Riley Greene, CF 4 - Spencer Torkelson, 1B 5 - Kerry Carpenter, DH 6 - Javier Baez, SS 7 - Eric Haase, C 8 - Nick Maton, 3B 9 - Wenceel Perez, 2B Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 PS: Just a guess... Schoop gets pushed out the door relatively quickly this season... 1 1 Quote
Tenacious D Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: PS: Just a guess... Schoop gets pushed out the door relatively quickly this season... I think they'll keep him around as a useful utility guy, but really hoping that someone else (Maton, Kreidler, Wenceel) pushes him out of a starting spot before the AS break. Edited January 17, 2023 by Tenacious D Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted January 17, 2023 Author Posted January 17, 2023 8 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: PS: Just a guess... Schoop gets pushed out the door relatively quickly this season... I don't think they'll need to do any pushing. I mean, if they ask him to leave, he'll just walk out. If they have to push him, that'll be so rude. Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Tenacious D said: I think they'll keep him around as a useful utility guy, but really hoping that someone else (Maton, Kreidler, Wenceel) pushes him out of a starting spot before the AS break. I don't see them keeping him around beyond the trade deadline, and maybe a trade even prior to that... Just guessing... Quote
Tenacious D Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: I don't see them keeping him around beyond the trade deadline, and maybe a trade even prior to that... Just guessing... Schoop can’t be traded. I think that would have happened by now. Quote
1984Echoes Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 They're not trying to trade him... not yet... I believe. Quote
chasfh Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 Schoop is going to have a comeback to league average hitter and league average defender, and will end up with a 2-win season. Quote
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