gehringer_2 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Hutchinson and Krol waived. https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2021/11/05/detroit-tigers-pitchers-drew-hutchison-ian-krol-become-free-agents/6303247001/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) I’d like to see the Tigers sign Stroman, who I don’t believe can get a QO, as he had one last season. I also think he’s the best and most realistic of the top of the order guys. I also believe that Fulmer could be in the mix for SP, and I agree that we should not count on Manning in any significant way. Also, neither Boyd nor Turnbull will contribute in any meaningful way in 2022–even if they can pitch a few innings, they likely won’t be very good (see Fulmer ‘20). As for SS, I don’t think there will be a lot of suitors needing or willing to go $150MM+ for a SS. Besides the Yankees and Nationals, which teams have both the need and the means? We should end up with one of Correa, Seager, Story or Semien if we are truly willing to spend. Edited November 6, 2021 by Tenacious D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 40 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Hutchinson and Krol waived. https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2021/11/05/detroit-tigers-pitchers-drew-hutchison-ian-krol-become-free-agents/6303247001/ There better be more—odd that we would only announce those guys right now, unless the other guys (i.e., Garneau) are free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 20 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: I’d like to see the Tigers sign Stroman, who I don’t believe can get a QO, as he had one last season. I also think he’s the best and most realistic of the top of the order guys. I also believe that Fulmer could be in the mix for SP, and I agree that we should not count on Manning in any significant way. Also, neither Boyd nor Turnbull will contribute in any meaningful way in 2022–even if they can pitch a few innings, they likely won’t be very good (see Fulmer ‘20). As for SS, I don’t think there will be a lot of suitors needing or willing to go $150MM+ for a SS. Besides the Yankees and Nationals, which teams have both the need and the means? We should end up with one of Correa, Seager, Story or Semien if we are truly willing to spend. Fulmer to the rotation is definitely something I hope they are looking at - esp since you do have some MilB guys who might end up being able to back fill the BP. Cisnero is a question mark on this. His Sept created some doubt about what he's going to be in '22. If he is solid, he and Soto are a good R/L set for max leverage. If Cisnero doesn't recapture his command in ST, it would be harder to move Fulmer to the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: There better be more—odd that we would only announce those guys right now, unless the other guys (i.e., Garneau) are free agents. I read the only Tiger FAs from this season were Teheran, Peralta, Urena and Holland. Those 4 are already off the current 40 as per the Tigs MLB site - which was at 39 just now. (and Garneau is still there as well) Edited November 6, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 hours ago, sabretooth said: ... They need to acquire TWO average or better SPs. Wily Peralta and Julio Teheran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, 1984Echoes said: Wily Peralta and Julio Teheran. That’s funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, sabretooth said: ... Mize and Skubal will likely cover 60 starts with a projected 330 innings between them.... Mize and Skubal pitched 150 innings each in 2021. That 165 inn's each projection is wrong. It's 180 inn's each for a total of 360 innings. Edited November 6, 2021 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said: I agree that 2 stud free agent pitchers and a shortstop will blow the budget. But we do need pitching especially for next year and Turnbull in 2023 is still iffy since it will be first year after TJ. Boyd is gone in 2023 for sure if not 22. So which do we prefer : 1.) Paul Dejong trade if it allows us to add one of Stroman/Gausmen and one of Gray/Rodriguez level. Or 2.) Trevor Story and Gray/Rodriguez and Wood/Heany 3) Carlos Correa and one of Gausman/ Verlander/ Scherzer (unlikely)/ Wood/ McHugh. 3a) Plus (2) Teheran/ Peralta types for AAA. Oh... and maybe (1) Reliever. I'd really like to get Knebel back here... That's it. Edited November 6, 2021 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: Hutchinson and Krol waived.... Expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: ... and Garneau is still there as well... I'm going to guess that they are probably going to hold onto one of Greiner or Garneau (and Garneau I think is the correct guess here...) and release the other guy. I don't think they need both. Or will be willing to keep the roster spot/ pay the man his money.... both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Wily Peralta and Julio Teheran. Alrighty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: I agree that 2 stud free agent pitchers and a shortstop will blow the budget. But we do need pitching especially for next year and Turnbull in 2023 is still iffy since it will be first year after TJ. Boyd is gone in 2023 for sure if not 22. So which do we prefer : 1.) Paul Dejong trade if it allows us to add one of Stroman/Gausmen and one of Gray/Rodriguez level. Or 2.) Trevor Story and Gray/Rodriguez and Wood/Heany If the budget is to maintain a team salary that is way below average (and way below several teams in our own division, then yes, we will likely not spend the $$ needed to compete for the playoffs in 2022, and I'm pretty sure that we won't be competing any year after 2022 without at least a league average salary....unless we suddenly show an above-average ability to develop players that aren't top-5 1st rounders, which we have never shown much ability to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 It takes drafting, trading, AND $$ to win consistently. A few teams can win with less than an average payroll (Rays, As), but only because they do a superlative job at drafting, development, and trades, something that AA is incapable of matching. AVERAGE LEAGUE PAYROLL OR BUST. It's that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 There's one thing that you are also overlooking Sabre (and those believing we need to sign two SP's which... we WON'T, book it): Trading for another starter at the trade deadline. If it's an absolute must at the deadline, then maybe. But I still don't think we'll do that, because: The Org will rely on Wentz coming up by the deadline or Boyd coming back. They will look at other internal options prior to that: Like Alexander, Fulmer, Faedo, etc... I'm sorry... but the Tigers are NOT signing two average or better SP's this offseason. You can be as upset as you want to be. It's just not going to happen. Any pitcher we sign beyond one good SP will be suspect/ AAAA/ on a minor-league deal/ Teheran recovery types/ etc. Which is not a bad gamble to take on those types, and they CAN fill in some needed innings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, sabretooth said: ... an above-average ability to develop players that aren't top-5 1st rounders, which we have never shown much ability to do. Are we talking Spencer Turnbull? Or Tarik Skubal? Or Tyler Alexander? Matt Manning? Derek Hill? Greg Soto? Kyle Funkhauser? Dillon Dingler? I'm a little unclear on this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Tenacious D said: I’d like to see the Tigers sign Stroman, who I don’t believe can get a QO, as he had one last season. I also think he’s the best and most realistic of the top of the order guys. I also believe that Fulmer could be in the mix for SP, and I agree that we should not count on Manning in any significant way. Also, neither Boyd nor Turnbull will contribute in any meaningful way in 2022–even if they can pitch a few innings, they likely won’t be very good (see Fulmer ‘20). As for SS, I don’t think there will be a lot of suitors needing or willing to go $150MM+ for a SS. Besides the Yankees and Nationals, which teams have both the need and the means? We should end up with one of Correa, Seager, Story or Semien if we are truly willing to spend. Houston, Texas, Dodgers will stay in on Seager , Angels and Mets for Baez are all in the mix for shortstops plus the mystery team ! I still think Correa, Seager and Story all top 200 million and the first two 300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Have the Tigers specifically mentioned that Fulmer is no longer a rotation possibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: Houston, Texas, Dodgers will stay in on Seager , Angels and Mets for Baez are all in the mix for shortstops plus the mystery team ! I still think Correa, Seager and Story all top 200 million and the first two 300. Houston—no (they would re-sign Correa) Angels—maybe, but they need SP more Dodgers—have Turner and won’t sign Seager Texas—agree, they’ll be in the mix Mets—already have Lindor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said: I'm going to guess that they are probably going to hold onto one of Greiner or Garneau (and Garneau I think is the correct guess here...) and release the other guy. I don't think they need both. Or will be willing to keep the roster spot/ pay the man his money.... both. without checking I think Greiner is out of options so he is likely gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 53 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: without checking I think Greiner is out of options so he is likely gone. He's still on the 40 so they have to make that move. But yeah, I think he is likeliest gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) Astros Offer Carlos Correa Five-Year, $160MM Contract https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/astros-offer-carlos-correa-five-year-160mm-contract.html Edited November 6, 2021 by casimir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, casimir said: Astros Offer Carlos Correa Five-Year, $160MM Contract https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/astros-offer-carlos-correa-five-year-160mm-contract.html Hes gonna reject that, one would think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) AAV might be there but hard to believe someone won't offer him more years. Heck the Tigers would probably offer him at least a year or two more. Edited November 6, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Hes gonna reject that, one would think Absolutely. I think that 10 years $350mm suggested is the real starting place... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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