2021-22 Tigers Hot Stove League

[casimir]

3 hours ago, Jim Cowan said:

0 for Florida

Sounds like a bad spring break.

[Jim Cowan]

Just now, casimir said:

Sounds like a bad spring break.

I went 0 for Myrtle Beach once.

[casimir]

2 hours ago, KL2 said:

He never really got it going. The other levels he started slow and then lit it up. He never really demolished AAA pitching. It fine. I mean the fact he had a .350 OBP in AAA is a damn miracle when you considered he was drafted basically missed a 2 years and then did all that in his first professional season. It just a situation where you could make the argument you want to see a bit more in AAA before major. I don't think it matters ones way or the other, but its not some lie to say we'd like to see a bit more.

September begs to differ.

 

[Motown Bombers]

While these two fight it out for Seager, the Tigers can swoop in and get Correa.

 

[chasfh]

6 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

Between the local and national contracts I don’t think any teams are heading for the poor house yet.

Not to mention the revenue from their merchandise sales, various licensing contracts, mixed-use developments near their ballparks, advanced media business, the gambling, the crypto, and the NFTs.

[1984Echoes]

41 minutes ago, casimir said:

September begs to differ.

 

FTFY: September & October (116 PA's) beg to differ.

[gehringer_2]

36 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

While these two fight it out for Seager, the Tigers can swoop in and get Correa.

 

I've  been leaning toward hoping for Story.

[1984Echoes]

37 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

While these two fight it out for Seager, the Tigers can swoop in and get Correa.

 

Or maybe it's already a done deal and they have to settle for sloppy seconds?

[KL2]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

He struggled initially as he does at every level.  He got better later.

and that's what I thought too but I remember checking his game logs in spetember and he had a string of 0-4s and looking over the last 10 it was like sure looks like someone ran out of steam

[1984Echoes]

1 minute ago, KL2 said:

and that's what I thought too but I remember checking his game logs in spetember and he had a string of 0-4s and looking over the last 10 it was like sure looks like someone ran out of steam

Did you mean his 1.015 OPS his last 116 PA's?

[KL2]

47 minutes ago, casimir said:

September begs to differ.

 

It differs cause you only checking the month log, not the game log. Look a vast majority of it was before Sept. 7. After that? 

From the 8th to the 24 he had 2 muti hit games, zippo homers and more strike outs than walks. Couple good games after that and a whole lot nadda after that. 

[KL2]

8 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Did you mean his 1.015 OPS his last 116 PA's?

yes because see above. If you take out that hot first week of september his OPS drops to .866. Still pretty good but let's admit unless that a catcher nobody considers that lighting it up or an OMG Ops. 

And since we're talking about cooling off. Being hot the first week and then less the rest of teh month, is the literal definition of the phrase. 

Edited November 17, 2021 by KL2

[Longgone]

12 minutes ago, KL2 said:

and that's what I thought too but I remember checking his game logs in spetember and he had a string of 0-4s and looking over the last 10 it was like sure looks like someone ran out of steam

Small samples are like trying to read tea leaves.

[casimir]

5 minutes ago, KL2 said:

It differs cause you only checking the month log, not the game log. Look a vast majority of it was before Sept. 7. After that? 

From the 8th to the 24 he had 2 muti hit games, zippo homers and more strike outs than walks. Couple good games after that and a whole lot nadda after that. 

In spite of those two weeks, he had a .993 OPS for the month (4 weeks and a couple of days).

In spite of his slow start in AAA, he had a .881 OPS against competition that was around 5 years older than him.

And that was his first official season of pro ball.

[1984Echoes]

13 minutes ago, KL2 said:

yes because see above. 

So in other words... you're only looking at the 0-fers and being totally swayed by that.

He still had a 1.015 OPS his last 116 (typo) PA's. That's called finishing the season strong at AAA. You don't get to discount that. Even despite a few 0-fers (which EVERY hitter incurs...). 

Edited November 17, 2021 by 1984Echoes

[gehringer_2]

12 minutes ago, KL2 said:

Look a vast majority of it was before Sept. 7. After that? 

are we reading the same data? From 9/23 forward, in 9 games I see 6BB, 2 singles, 4 doubles and 4 HR and a 9 game on base streak. That's out of steam? Struggles at the end?

Edited November 17, 2021 by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

7 minutes ago, KL2 said:

It differs cause you only checking the month log, not the game log. Look a vast majority of it was before Sept. 7. After that? 

From the 8th to the 24 he had 2 muti hit games, zippo homers and more strike outs than walks. Couple good games after that and a whole lot nadda after that. 

I prefer 1984Echoes’ cherries to yours.

You are really grasping at straws trying to prove Tork wasn’t good at AAA. Good grief, the guy had a .375 wOBA there. Not only is that the equivalent of Paul Goldschmidt or Rafael Devers or Brandon Crawford, it actually places him in the top 20% of AAA-East hitters.

[KL2]

Just now, casimir said:

In spite of those two weeks, he had a .993 OPS for the month (4 weeks and a couple of days).

In spite of his slow start in AAA, he had a .881 OPS against competition that was around 5 years older than him.

And that was his first official season of pro ball.

again, I said it earlier, I agree with everything you just wrote. It's very good. I'm just saying I don't think we can say he has nothing left to prove at AAA and if you want to make the argument he needs more time there, given those struggles at the end, it's a fair argument.

[KL2]

Just now, chasfh said:

I prefer 1984Echoes’ cherries to yours.

You are really grasping at straws trying to prove Tork wasn’t good at AAA. Good grief, the guy had a .375 wOBA there. Not only is that the equivalent of Paul Goldschmidt or Rafael Devers or Brandon Crawford, it actually places him in the top 20% of AAA-East hitters.

This is getting out of hand. I NEVER SAID HE WASN'T GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

LIterally 3 hours ago I wrote.

"He never really demolished AAA pitching. It fine. I mean the fact he had a .350 OBP in AAA is a damn miracle when you considered he was drafted basically missed a 2 years and then did all that in his first professional season. It just a situation where you could make the argument you want to see a bit more in AAA before major. I don't think it matters ones way or the other, but its not some lie to say we'd like to see a bit more."

 

I just think you can take the fact his number took an extend dip for two weeks and make the case for him to stay down. You guys make it seem like he tripple crown Miguel down there his entire time at AAA. He wasn't and there is zero wrong with that. 

 

[Sports_Freak]

1 minute ago, 1984Echoes said:

So in other words... you're only looking at the 0-fers and being totally swayed by that.

He still had a 1.015 OPS his last 166 PA's. That's called finishing the season strong at AAA. You don't get to discount that. Even despite a few 0-fers (which EVERY hitter incurs...). 

Tork has played one season of professional ball, after taking an entire season off. If he's tearing the cover off the ball in ST, it wouldn't surprise me if he comes north.

[KL2]

3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

are we reading the same data? From 9/23 forward, in 9 games I see 6BB, 2 singles, 4 doubles and 4 HR. That's out of steam?

I don't think so because i also see the games between sept. 7 and spet. 23 and see that 9/23 forward is basically entirely in two game.s 

[1984Echoes]

2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Tork has played one season of professional ball, after taking an entire season off. If he's tearing the cover off the ball in ST, it wouldn't surprise me if he comes north.

Hinch & the Tigers will challenge him...

In MLB. I don't want to guarantee he breaks ST with the Tigers... 

But I don't think he goes to AAA, I think he starts on the 25.

[gehringer_2]

4 minutes ago, KL2 said:

I don't think so because i also see the games between sept. 7 and spet. 23 and see that 9/23 forward is basically entirely in two game.s 

Really, how do you figure, the HRs were in 4 different games, a double was in another different game, and they walked him twice the one night he didn't have  a hit

Edited November 17, 2021 by gehringer_2

[KL2]

4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Really, how do you figure, the HRs were in 4 different games, the doubles in 3 different games, and they walked him twice the one night he didn't have  a hit.  Give up it KL.

Sorry my eyes blured the RBI. OK fine he was good the last week. So good week 1 of septmber. Meh the middle two. Good the week end. I guess in your eyes that means good all the time. I don't get why that last week outweighs the previous two, or the first week where he was crazy hot shows he never slumped at all in AAA.

He did and it happened for 16 days which is about half the month. I don't think we can say he tore the cover off the ball for a month when the slump last for half of it. 

If you want him to start at ML in 2022, I'll be right there with you. But, if management says he needs to work on this because they have tape on every pitch and maybe he struggle with the AAA curveball in those two weeks and that's why the numbers dipped, I'm OK with that too. That is all. 

Edited November 17, 2021 by KL2

[Sports_Freak]

2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Hinch & the Tigers will challenge him...

In MLB. I don't want to guarantee he breaks ST with the Tigers... 

But I don't think he goes to AAA, I think he starts on the 25.

If he's totally overmatched in ST like last year, no way. He'll need to force himself onto the team. Sure, the good ones make it quick and I'm not gonna give up on the guy if he has a bad spring. At worse, send him to Toledo until he gets hot.