gehringer_2 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, KL2 said: I just think you can take the fact his number took an extend dip for two weeks and make the case for him to stay down. You guys make it seem like he tripple crown Miguel down there his entire time at AAA. He wasn't and there is zero wrong with that. No question - he could come out flat ST and they leave him in Toledo to ripen, but if so it's not going to be based on the way he finished in '21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, KL2 said: This is getting out of hand. I NEVER SAID HE WASN'T GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LIterally 3 hours ago I wrote. "He never really demolished AAA pitching. It fine. I mean the fact he had a .350 OBP in AAA is a damn miracle when you considered he was drafted basically missed a 2 years and then did all that in his first professional season. It just a situation where you could make the argument you want to see a bit more in AAA before major. I don't think it matters ones way or the other, but its not some lie to say we'd like to see a bit more." I just think you can take the fact his number took an extend dip for two weeks and make the case for him to stay down. You guys make it seem like he tripple crown Miguel down there his entire time at AAA. He wasn't and there is zero wrong with that. I’m not sure what it is you’re trying to put across here. Can you please restate your point in a font that’s 48 points or greater? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, KL2 said: If you want him to start at ML in 2022, I'll be right there with you. But, if management says he needs to work on this because they have tape on every pitch and maybe he struggle with the AAA curveball in those two weeks and that's why the numbers dipped, I'm OK with that too. That is all. If think most of us are on the same page on that point, that is, they know more than us and will make decisions based on scouting. However, if he looks good to them in the Spring they aren't going to worry about last September. Edited November 17, 2021 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 If management truly thinks he is better served both short term and long term getting reps in AAA then you really can't argue with them. I just don't want him being stashed in AAA to manipulate service time. One, I think it's a bad look for team, two I think its unnecessary cause if he is any good we should be looking to sign him to an extension buying out his arb years and some FA ones and lastly I think it could come back to bite them if they indeed are right in the thick of the playoff race though I concede that last point might be pretty unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 So we suffer through a long rebuild to suffer through covid to worry through a potential work stoppage and still no Tork and Greene opening day? Unacceptable !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 6 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: So we suffer through a long rebuild to suffer through covid to worry through a potential work stoppage and still no Tork and Greene opening day? Unacceptable !! Just wait for the plague of locusts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 53 minutes ago, casimir said: Just wait for the plague of locusts. It’s 2021, the danger is the spotted lanternfly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 I think it will depend on the new CBA where rookies will start the year at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 12 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: If management truly thinks he is better served both short term and long term getting reps in AAA then you really can't argue with them. I just don't want him being stashed in AAA to manipulate service time. One, I think it's a bad look for team, two I think its unnecessary cause if he is any good we should be looking to sign him to an extension buying out his arb years and some FA ones and lastly I think it could come back to bite them if they indeed are right in the thick of the playoff race though I concede that last point might be pretty unlikely. Service time manipulation basically cost the Cubs their best player, Kris Bryant. We should take a lesson from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 I think the service time rule will no longer exist after this coming work stoppage. Free Agency will be based on Age. They'll probably quarrel for 2 months alone on whether the age is 28 or 28.5 years at the date the new Free Agency cycle begins. So it won't have any influence on Greene and Tork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: I think the service time rule will no longer exist after this coming work stoppage. Free Agency will be based on Age. They'll probably quarrel for 2 months alone on whether the age is 28 or 28.5 years at the date the new Free Agency cycle begins. So it won't have any influence on Greene and Tork. I think you're right on the age thing. It might even be a conditional thing, maybe something like 7.000 years service time or age 29.5 as of January 1, whatever comes first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: I think the service time rule will no longer exist after this coming work stoppage. Free Agency will be based on Age. Can't see the players agreeing to that. Too invariable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Longgone said: Can't see the players agreeing to that. Too invariable. you'd get a glaring disparity between the international players and the domestic college players. Although OTOH for the same reason it might make a lot of guys more interested in going to the minors at 18 instead of college. Don't really know if that's good or bad but it could be a reversal of the trend. Edited November 17, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 44 minutes ago, Longgone said: Can't see the players agreeing to that. Too invariable. I am sure there would be nuance added in. I think it will end up where there is no benefit to holding someone back over service time. I get why teams do it, but it might be keeping good players away from a game that needs more good players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) I watched a video about Mike Magnante, who was just a few days from vesting his pension. The A's were not allowed to put him on an injury list if he wasn't really injured. He got screwed. There should have been something in place that considered how close he was. He still gets a pension, but not nearly the pension he'd have gotten if he had only stayed on the roster for another few days. That needs to be fixed. If companies can give people pensions early, mlb and mlbpa can do this. Edited November 17, 2021 by Motor City Sonics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: I am sure there would be nuance added in. I think it will end up where there is no benefit to holding someone back over service time. I get why teams do it, but it might be keeping good players away from a game that needs more good players. I'm sure they'll tweak the current rules, but as long as there is a line to cross before free agency, someone will be just short and get screwed, even if it's age, someone will be two weeks too young at the cutoff. But with arbitration is that really a big deal, that a few have to wait one more year for free agency? I think people are making a bigger issue out of it than it is. Players want shorter time to free agency, owners longer, that's the bottom line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Aren't superstars goin to be pissed about that change? Break into MLB at 20 or 21 or 22 and have to wait until getting past 28.5? And someone breaking into MLB at 25 or 26 gets to be a FA after 3 years, not 6? I don't think that will fly. From the players POV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said: Aren't superstars goin to be pissed about that change? Break into MLB at 20 or 21 or 22 and have to wait until getting past 28.5? And someone breaking into MLB at 25 or 26 gets to be a FA after 3 years, not 6? I don't think that will fly. From the players POV. That superstar will get $30m per year, or more. The fringe player will accept an invite to spring training. So, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 I would say consider the source, but it is his brother lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Motown Bombers Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 I would have been totally down for that deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shorts Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 I would also feel very loyal when offered 50 million. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 He felt loyalty to the Astros. So, is this to say he’ll wear an Astros hat in the HOF? I wonder if Avila even picked up the phone on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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