HeyAbbott Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Is Correa absolutely essential to build a winning team that will be competitive for say, 3 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 12 hours ago, KL2 said: do hickey I haven't heard this term in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 12 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: I have to admit when I woke up this morning I was hoping all the talk on here was going to be about the Correa signing being official, was not counting on it to be all about Niko Goodrum. Should'of hit the snooze. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Jim Cowan said: I would be very, very happy with Baez. Power, speed, and superb defender. OK, he doesn't get on base as much as you'd like. But I would be very pleased. Second that. Really any of the 5-6 top SS will help the team quite a bit. Saying "...multiple needs" is interesting. Would the team be better off with just Correa or say Baez and another 15mil+/- player(s) as well who could help make a difference for a few yrs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Jim Cowan said: I would be very, very happy with Baez. Power, speed, and superb defender. OK, he doesn't get on base as much as you'd like. But I would be very pleased. One of the positives about Baez is that he is one of the afterthoughts of the SS market and won't command the years or salary of the primary targets. It could be that a contract is constructed such that there are options built in the protect against the aging of his skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, alex said: Second that. Really any of the 5-6 top SS will help the team quite a bit. Saying "...multiple needs" is interesting. Would the team be better off with just Correa or say Baez and another 15mil+/- player(s) as well who could help make a difference for a few yrs? Better resource allocation. And they still need another SP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 i'd rather pay $300 million for correa than $250 million for baez because correa is better than baez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, buddha said: i'd rather pay $300 million for correa than $250 million for baez because correa is better than baez. I would agree with you there. I would also like to know how much tailgating you have done already today if you are seriously thinking Baez is going to get $250M this offseason. Please do not operate any heavy machinery for a while. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, casimir said: I would agree with you there. I would also like to know how much tailgating you have done already today if you are seriously thinking Baez is going to get $250M this offseason. Please do not operate any heavy machinery for a while. we'll see. correa will likely get more than 300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 minute ago, buddha said: we'll see. correa will likely get more than 300. I think Correa gets at least 10 years and over $300M. I don't know what Baez will get, but it shouldn't be $250M. I think that's way too much for him. I definitely wouldn't want the Tigers to go more than 4 years for him. I saw an estimate of 5/$100M for him. I think that's probably reasonable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Yankees just released Clint Frazier. Not saying the Tigers should grab him because they already have a bunch of unproven outfielders, but now that he'll be out of NY (unless the Mets grab him), I think he still has a chance to flourish. He could be another J.D. Martinez. Not as huge a success as JD, but get him in a new place and I think he could be a good everyday player. If a team like the A's or Twins or Rangers give him a shot, he might have something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 14 hours ago, KL2 said: None. Guardians was picked because all they had to do was change like 2 letters and put the little do hickey to make a g instead of a c on the stand alone logo I believe that...specially the do hickey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Yankees just released Clint Frazier. Not saying the Tigers should grab him because they already have a bunch of unproven outfielders, but now that he'll be out of NY (unless the Mets grab him), I think he still has a chance to flourish. He could be another J.D. Martinez. Not as huge a success as JD, but get him in a new place and I think he could be a good everyday player. If a team like the A's or Twins or Rangers give him a shot, he might have something. Its interesting to me that he actually has a better career batting line vs RHPs than LHPs. His defense appears suspect at best. I'd like to avoid that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 hours ago, HeyAbbott said: Is Correa absolutely essential to build a winning team that will be competitive for say, 3 years? It is essential that they have a shortstop. Right now, they don't have one. Correa is the best all around player among the available shortstops, but the others would fit too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: Yankees just released Clint Frazier. Not saying the Tigers should grab him because they already have a bunch of unproven outfielders, but now that he'll be out of NY (unless the Mets grab him), I think he still has a chance to flourish. He could be another J.D. Martinez. Not as huge a success as JD, but get him in a new place and I think he could be a good everyday player. If a team like the A's or Twins or Rangers give him a shot, he might have something. Yeah, Clint was a top 5 pick in 2013 for the Indians who was productive in the minors from a very young age....never quite got over the hump. JD's edge is that he was always a high-average hitter in the minors, despite his high K rate, and eventually made adjustments to translate that to the Majors....whereas Clint has so far only managed a strong BA for a couple of short stints in the minors. Maybe Clint "finds it". He really seems similar to Ryan Raburn....a RH with pretty good pop, so-so on-base, and serviceable at best in the OF, though Ryan had a cannon for an arm. Clint needs to use more Launch Angle....he's hanging around a 10 most of the time, hitting 40% FBs, mediocre power results, and a so-so batting average. Seems to me that if he elevates the ball more, something closer to a 15 or 16, he will hit for more power, and maybe even improve his BA. Given how thin our OF is, I would be happy to add Clint and see what happens...maybe he becomes a good semi-regular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, casimir said: Its interesting to me that he actually has a better career batting line vs RHPs than LHPs. His defense appears suspect at best. I'd like to avoid that. His defensive numbers aren't much worse than Grossman's.....I'd rather have better defense too, but looking in the bargain bin for guys with both a bat and a glove and upside is a bit hopeful. Clint's about the best guy on the tiles that you're going to find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Clint looks more like Christen Stewart than JD Martinez. He doesn’t fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 42 minutes ago, casimir said: I think Correa gets at least 10 years and over $300M. I don't know what Baez will get, but it shouldn't be $250M. I think that's way too much for him. I definitely wouldn't want the Tigers to go more than 4 years for him. I saw an estimate of 5/$100M for him. I think that's probably reasonable. Yeah, Baez certainly is a very good player, but $250M for him? Wow. Seems more like a 5/125 guy to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Clint looks more like Christen Stewart than JD Martinez. He doesn’t fit. Well, he does look more like Stewart than JD, but that's true about everybody who is released by a MLB team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 Fraizer's dealing with vertigo so career could be over if they cannot solve that. But if they can, he is certainly worth a look considering current options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 I would love love love getting Correa or Seager, and Semien or Baez would be a very nice upgrade to be sure....but my hopes are on Story....his age, health, power, and defense are all good, and whoever signs him might get a bit of a discount due to the perception that he will fall off precipitously after leaving the Rockies (which I don't think will be the case). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Fraizer's dealing with vertigo so career could be over if they cannot solve that. But if they can, he is certainly worth a look considering current options Whoops...hadn't heard that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackPine Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Motor City Sonics said: Yankees just released Clint Frazier. Not saying the Tigers should grab him because they already have a bunch of unproven outfielders, but now that he'll be out of NY (unless the Mets grab him), I think he still has a chance to flourish. He could be another J.D. Martinez. Not as huge a success as JD, but get him in a new place and I think he could be a good everyday player. If a team like the A's or Twins or Rangers give him a shot, he might have something. He looks like a twin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jim Cowan Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 hours ago, buddha said: i'd rather pay $300 million for correa than $250 million for baez because correa is better than baez. Correa is better than Baez...when he is on the field. Which isn't often enough. However, he isn't twice as good as Baez, but he will get more than twice as much money. I would rather spend the Correa money on Baez and more pitching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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