2021-22 Tigers Hot Stove League

[mtutiger]

  On 11/26/2021 at 8:42 PM, buddha said:

maybe laying the groundwork for failing to sign any of the big free agents?  "we liked our in house talent"...

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Could also be talking him up for a future trade as well, especially if they do land a big fish.

[mtutiger]

Uhh, this is sort of telling

[SoCalTiger]

Based on everything Al has said "no drunken sailor" and "measured approach" Baez seems a fit and as we have all noticed Al basically tells everyone what he is trying to do. I am perfectly fine with Baez and sure it will be 6 years or less and 150 or less. Might even be 6/150 with an opt out after year 2 or 3. Not Correa but a HUGE lift for our team all in the same.

[SoCalTiger]

  On 11/26/2021 at 10:28 PM, mtutiger said:

Uhh, this is sort of telling

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 I think that takes Baez second base position away ?

[mtutiger]

  On 11/26/2021 at 10:34 PM, SoCalTiger said:

 I think that takes Baez second base position away ?

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Exactly... likely means the Mets are out of the running. Less competition.

Doesn't mean they'll get him, but I think the likelihood just increased a decent amount 

[SoCalTiger]

  On 11/26/2021 at 10:37 PM, mtutiger said:

Exactly... likely means the Mets are out of the running. Less competition.

Doesn't mean they'll get him, but I think the likelihood just increased a decent amount 

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maybe his agent told the Mets "Javier is signing with Detroit ? "

[Tenacious D]

Hopefully someone with the Tigers is floating the Baez rumor to get the attention of the other agents.  The Tigers have to be one of the top 3 destinations for the free agent SS, based on payroll flexibility and need.

[Tiger337]

They could Escobar at 3B and Baez at 2B depending on whether expect McNeil to bounce back next year.  

[mtutiger]

  On 11/26/2021 at 10:49 PM, Tiger337 said:

They could Escobar at 3B and Baez at 2B depending on whether expect McNeil to bounce back next year.  

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That's a fair point

[casimir]

  On 11/26/2021 at 9:28 PM, Jim Cowan said:

Yes, if they could get Baez for 5 years I would rather have that than Correa for 10.

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Ah,….. just get both.

[mtutiger]

Now this is an interesting theory.

Throughout this offseason, it really hasn't been clear that anyone is more interested in Correa's services than the Tigers. Rangers maybe?

[chasfh]

I would like to sign Baez for five years, which probably means the Tigers will sign him for seven.

[chasfh]

Hot take from Harris Frommer, whoever he is.

[casimir]

Correa from Houston to Texas is interesting to me, although only because of any rivalry that might exist between the two.

[mtutiger]

  On 11/26/2021 at 11:02 PM, chasfh said:

Hot take from Harris Frommer, whoever he is.

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Lynn Henning retweeted it lol.

I do think he makes a fair point in that it isn't clear who out there may have offered more for Correa than the Tigers. It's the best natural fit on a number of levels.

Edited November 26, 2021 by mtutiger

[Tiger337]

I follow Frommer on Twitter.  He appears to know something about prospects, but I don't get the impression that he is any kind of insider.  

[mtutiger]

  On 11/26/2021 at 11:07 PM, mtutiger said:

Lynn Henning retweeted it lol.

I do think he makes a fair point in that it isn't clear who out there may have offered more for Correa than the Tigers. It's the best natural fit on a number of levels.

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Just to expound upon this...

In terms of Correa, a lot of time has been spent on the Tigers willingness to spend $300+ mil, not much has been spent talking about whether others are willing to give $300+ mil for Correa's services.

Do we really know that others will at this point?

Edited November 26, 2021 by mtutiger

[buddha]

  On 11/26/2021 at 11:17 PM, mtutiger said:

Just to expound upon this...

In terms of Correa, a lot of time has been spent on the Tigers willingness to spend $300+ mil, not much has been spent talking about whether others are willing to give $300+ mil for Correa's services.

Do we really know that others will at this point?

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since when have baseball owners never not spent huge money on star players?

its the middle class that are getting squeezed.  the star guys almost always get paid.

correa isnt likely to take less than lindor.  i doubt baez takes less than what the cubs were supposedly offering him.

[mtutiger]

  On 11/27/2021 at 12:41 AM, buddha said:

since when have baseball owners never not spent huge money on star players?

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Sure.

But as of the moment, based on reporting, who is the team aside from the Tigers likely to give Correa more than 300 million? Can you name the team that is sitting out there who will give him Lindor money?

I don't have an answer for either of those questions at the moment. Doesn't mean they don't exist, we just don't know 

Edited November 27, 2021 by mtutiger

[Tenacious D]

  On 11/26/2021 at 11:07 PM, Tiger337 said:

I follow Frommer on Twitter.  He appears to know something about prospects, but I don't get the impression that he is any kind of insider.  

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Agreed.  Always speaks with confidence, but no clue if he has any true access or credibility.

[buddha]

  On 11/27/2021 at 12:54 AM, mtutiger said:

Sure.

But as of the moment, based on reporting, who is the team aside from the Tigers likely to give Correa more than 300 million? Can you name the team that is sitting out there who will give him Lindor money?

I don't have an answer for either of those questions at the moment. Doesn't mean they don't exist, we just don't know 

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houston?  texas?  los angeles?

there are always teams that pop up willing to spend big money.

but we shall see.  i'm just guessing.

[Tiger337]

  On 11/27/2021 at 1:15 AM, Tenacious D said:

Agreed.  Always speaks with confidence, but no clue if he has any true access or credibility.

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i am generally skeptical of people who speak with confidence on twitter.  

[mtutiger]

  On 11/27/2021 at 1:50 AM, buddha said:

houston?  texas?  los angeles?

there are always teams that pop up willing to spend big money.

but we shall see.  i'm just guessing.

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Texas is the only one I see who would do it for Correa. Maybe.

It just seems like this is all part of a negotiation. And the Tigers, for their part, may just be trying to get the best possible deal for one of these guys versus just going hog wild and giving Lindor money away without doing due diligence.

We don't know. I feel like people just see Jon Heyman tweets and lose their minds without understanding that there are motives to any leak.

Edited November 27, 2021 by mtutiger

[RatkoVarda]

Baez may realistically realize that he is the 5th best SS out there (Correa-Seagar-Story-Semien-Baez) and maybe he does not want to be under the gun in Feb as there is a mad scramble to find a team.

So can you get him now, for 5/125, or less? Baez carries a different type of risk.

[gehringer_2]

  On 11/26/2021 at 8:52 PM, buddha said:

10 and 340 for correa or 8 and 200 for baez?

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Javy probably should have taken the Cubs deal unless maybe he didn't like it there. I'd be surprised if anyone offers him 8 yrs again two years later.