Motor City Sonics Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Remember when you were a kid at Christmas and you had a hard time falling asleep and you woke up to get your presents early in the morning? Might be feeling like that tonight. Sounds like things will be fast and furious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 I'm pessimistic that they get Ray, but if they did, a rotation with him, ERod and the kids seems really really solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I'm pessimistic that they get Ray, but if they did, a rotation with him, ERod and the kids seems really really solid. if we get Ray we may also get Kriedler at short. 🙄 Edited November 29, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: if we get Ray we may also get Kriedler at short. 🙄 I think you'd get Simmons before Kriedler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: I think you'd get Simmons before Kriedler Probably right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 They need some defense up the middle, but Simmons had a .558 OPS this year. If they can't do better than that, they might as well go with Kreidler (who supposedly is a good defender). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Speculation on Petzold's part, but he seems to be suggesting this is Plan B if they can't land one of the SS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Avila has never had a plan B before, so I suppose that would be progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: They need some defense up the middle, but Simmons had a .558 OPS this year. If they can't do better than that, they might as well go with Kreidler (who supposedly is a good defender). unless Simmons had some kind of injury his 2021 numbers look pretty depressing. It wasn't bad luck for Simmons - GB rate was up, barrels and hard hit balls were down, Z contact was down, K's were up. If Robbie Ray 2022 looks like Robbie Ray 2021, he and a terrible hitting but good gloved SS might still make for an interesting alternative to Correa plus Peralta or equiv getting 25 starts. They can keep looking for a SS in trade or a deadline pick-up if we were actually threatening to make the playoffs. The downside is that we have been sold a bill of goods about the defensive prowess of our minor league talent too many times in the past to have all that much confidence that Kriedler, or any one else in the system, really has an MLB SS glove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 29 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Speculation on Petzold's part, but he seems to be suggesting this is Plan B if they can't land one of the SS? and it also could be Robbie Ray's agent jacking up the price for his guy. Believe nothing. The Truth Is Out There. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: and it also could be Robbie Ray's agent jacking up the price for his guy. Believe nothing. The Truth Is Out There. Could also be Avila signalling to any SS he's talking to that Tiger money is not going to stay on the table long. You just never know..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Robbie Ray ? Does Al have a trade on tap for a shortstop ? Dejong , Walls or maybe Kim ? Can Al pivot that fast ? I don't see it.Lets go Al. Snooze you lose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Maybe I'm wrong, but I wouldn't want to be too left handed (2 is enough) with the White Sox in the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 I wish they would have signed either Gausman or Gray. Imo, Gray is a great value. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmitch55 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 I could live with a stopgap at short as long as he can defend. Ray, ERod,Mize, Skubal, Manning, and Turnbull look really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 40 minutes ago, Timmitch55 said: I could live with a stopgap at short as long as he can defend. Ray, ERod,Mize, Skubal, Manning, and Turnbull look really good. If we sign Ray, would the Tigers use Mize or Skubal to get their next SS from a team that has minor league options, ie, Yanks and Padres? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 36 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: If we sign Ray, would the Tigers use Mize or Skubal to get their next SS from a team that has minor league options, ie, Yanks and Padres? Neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 37 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: If we sign Ray, would the Tigers use Mize or Skubal to get their next SS from a team that has minor league options, ie, Yanks and Padres? I'd rather they ride with Kreidler if it came to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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casimir Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 8 hours ago, mtutiger said: Speculation on Petzold's part, but he seems to be suggesting this is Plan B if they can't land one of the SS? Hey, they have to be agile. For all we know the remaining SSs might be asking for too much (either dollars or years), uninterested, and/or looking to return to their previous clubs. And it could be that they are just playing the negotiation game. I'm not sure about pursuing Ray. He's had two fantastic seasons and a bunch of meh. That worries me more than too many lefties in the rotation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 When are they going to get to the fireworks factory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 6 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: Robbie Ray ? Does Al have a trade on tap for a shortstop ? Dejong , Walls or maybe Kim ? Can Al pivot that fast ? I don't see it.Lets go Al. Snooze you lose. 45 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I'd rather they ride with Kreidler if it came to that I'd like to know what short term (say a season or two) and longer term (prospects) are available to be had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 This could be an exciting half week of free agent signings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, casimir said: I'd like to know what short term (say a season or two) and longer term (prospects) are available to be had. On top of the ones already mentioned, there's Gleyber Torres. Assuming the Yanks do something in free agency. High risk, high reward. Would be buying low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 My guess is that Ray will want a long (7 years) contract for about 30 million/year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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