casimir Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Not sure where to post this but interesting makeup schedule. Actually, there’s a doubleheader tucked into the Seattle trip. Single game on Monday, doubleheader on Tuesday, and the final game of the regular season on Wednesday. Quote
casimir Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: Its on every single morning on COZI. I remember watching that as in kid in 1972, 1973 and I never imagined I would watch the episodes again at the age of 57 and I actually remember scenes. Terrible acting. Women were almost always portrayed as histrionic or helpless, it was the 70s. But the two paramedics did a lot of their own stunts. It’s that old? I must have been watching reruns. Quote
buddha Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Wild ass hunch (could also be alcohol fueled): Tigers sign Jorge Soler go home TD, youre drunk! Quote
casimir Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, buddha said: go home TD, youre drunk! Nah, don’t be rude. So, TD, what other alcohol induced thoughts do you want to bless us with?😀 Quote
bobrob2004 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 4 hours ago, sabretooth said: If we added two good starting pitchers, a good OF, and some reasonably priced bullpen help, we would be projected to be a winning team, and have a good shot at the playoffs. And Chris Illitch would probably still make a tidy profit (I don't care about the profit, but a few folks around here seem to care). Chris Illitch doesn't need to make a profit. None of the owners need to make a profit. Baseball isn't any of the owners main source of revenue, it's mainly just a hobby. As long as they can absorb the losses into their other businesses, they are fine. The fact that fans are so worried about owners making a profit is mind-boggling to me. Every single owner can afford to operate baseball at a loss. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, bobrob2004 said: As long as they can absorb the losses into their other businesses, they are fine. Owners don't get to owners doing that kind of thing. Not only is it bad business, but in most cases those other business also have other stake holders that would be none to happy to see their efforts diverted to a money losing sports team. Quote
bobrob2004 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Owners don't get to owners doing that kind of thing. Not only is it bad business, but in most cases those other business also have other stake holders that would be none to happy to see their efforts diverted to a money losing sports team. This is exactly how Chris Ilitch operates. All of Chris Ilitch's businesses are consolidated into Ilitch Holdings, which includes the Tigers, Red Wings, Little Caesar's, and Olympia Entertainment. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 What would it take to get Montas, Ty Madden & Isaac Paredes or Willi Castro? Quote
Tiger337 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 57 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: What would it take to get Montas, Ty Madden & Isaac Paredes or Willi Castro? They would probably have to include someone like Manning. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, bobrob2004 said: This is exactly how Chris Ilitch operates. All of Chris Ilitch's businesses are consolidated into Ilitch Holdings, which includes the Tigers, Red Wings, Little Caesar's, and Olympia Entertainment. there is a more detailed article archived on Crane's if you have a subscription. https://detroitjockcity.com/2017/02/20/detroit-tigers-news-chris-ilitch-doesnt-technically-tigers/ Quote
RandyMarsh Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 The rich get richer, Freeman to the Dodgers for 6/163. Quote
casimir Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 Manaea has one season left before free agency. Montas has two seasons left before free agency. Oakland is going to want and get a boatload for both because that's what they do. It might not appear to be a boatload, but they will acquire players that will turn out to be very good ball players that will be traded away for more prospects before they hit free agency. Wash, rinse, repeat. Castillo has two more seasons before free agency, but I'd feel more comfortable dealing with Cincinnati because, aside from Simon for Suarez, they aren't the kind of trade machine that Oakland is. Its a stupide rationale, I fully admit it. But Cincinnati has already made questionable deals this offseason, so it seems like that's the table to play poker at. I've not been much of a fan of Pineda, but perhaps that's the Tigers' best available move. It'd be just money (which, of course, the amount and length of contract makes it relative). He's in awful shape and has had injury issues in his past, and I'm not sure I want to trust him with a pile of cash and get only 120 IP/season out of him. Maybe they can get him on a short term incentive laden deal? There's talent there, but can the talent take the mound every 5th day? The farm system has improved, but I'm not sure that it is all that deep. And the major league team has improved, but I'm not sure its good enough to be dumping a bunch of prospects for major league rentals. Quote
casimir Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 4 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: The rich get richer, Freeman to the Dodgers for 6/163. Good for him. He's a California kid, so after being dumped by Atlanta, this seems a next best kind of move for him. Atlanta maybe made the right move going younger and cheaper (annually) than Freeman. And both guys get to go areas where they grew up. Its just a bit of a sour taste seeing Freeman jettisoned after winning the world series and leaving the only organization he's been associated with. Quote
RatkoVarda Posted March 17, 2022 Author Posted March 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, casimir said: good for Boyd, SFG knows what they are doing, but he got more $ than I would have thought 1 Quote
casimir Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: good for Boyd, SFG knows what they are doing, but he got more $ than I would have thought I agree. So that only increases the price on a guy like Pineda. Quote
Cruzer1 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, casimir said: Manaea has one season left before free agency. Montas has two seasons left before free agency. Oakland is going to want and get a boatload for both because that's what they do. It might not appear to be a boatload, but they will acquire players that will turn out to be very good ball players that will be traded away for more prospects before they hit free agency. Wash, rinse, repeat. Castillo has two more seasons before free agency, but I'd feel more comfortable dealing with Cincinnati because, aside from Simon for Suarez, they aren't the kind of trade machine that Oakland is. Its a stupide rationale, I fully admit it. But Cincinnati has already made questionable deals this offseason, so it seems like that's the table to play poker at. I've not been much of a fan of Pineda, but perhaps that's the Tigers' best available move. It'd be just money (which, of course, the amount and length of contract makes it relative). He's in awful shape and has had injury issues in his past, and I'm not sure I want to trust him with a pile of cash and get only 120 IP/season out of him. Maybe they can get him on a short term incentive laden deal? There's talent there, but can the talent take the mound every 5th day? The farm system has improved, but I'm not sure that it is all that deep. And the major league team has improved, but I'm not sure its good enough to be dumping a bunch of prospects for major league rentals. Their take for Chapman seems pretty underwhelming to me. They can have Paredes, but they might want Kriedler, who's their type of guy who is close to MLB. Throw in Elvin Rodriguez and Clemens, and that should be enough for Montas. Reese Olson is another I think they'd like. Edited March 17, 2022 by Cruzer1 Quote
alex Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, casimir said: I agree. So that only increases the price on a guy like Pineda. Hmm, Pineda, if healthy (can be said for most of course) should help. Was thinking Zach, as he could also help mentor... I think other available starters still in FA are: Zach Davies, Chris Archer, Drew Smiley, Johnny Cueto, Garrett Richards, Chris Duffy (out like MBoyd til mid-season) JA Happ, Julio Teheran, and Jose Urena. All with question marks and much is health. Zach Davies (unless I am unaware that he signed) is interesting because he can give innings. No question, the Tigs need more depth at SP (IMHO) and someone here or even a trade may be coming here before long... Quote
alex Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said: Their take for Chapman seems pretty underwhelming to me. They can have Paredes, but they might want Kriedler, who's their type of guy who is close to MLB. Throw in Elvin Rodriguez and Clemens, and that should be enough for Montas. Reese Olson is another I think they'd like. I like it! There may be interest in Daz and/or WCastro as well with a pitcher. Quote
Tenacious D Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 I’d suggest Madden, Kreidler and Daz for Montas. Trading Manning makes no sense, as it creates another hole. Quote
HeyAbbott Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 14 hours ago, sabretooth said: I am fascinated with the financial side, being a finance guy....but I hate it when fans oppose getting a good player at a good price that the team needs to win because they know the owners' bottom line needs well enough to take such a stand. Even fans who digest and understand all of the public information about player performance and potential, player and union contracts/negotiations, team/league budgets, owner finances, and so on, are never in any reasonable position to objectively judge the potential for a team to maximize team performance/profit. From the standpoint of diminishing returns, I think it's reasonable to speculate that there is a "breaking point" where too much spending on the roster interferes with the proper functions of the organization and with the development of players. For orgainizations like the Rays/Cards that appear to excel at the non-spending parts of the game, that theoretical too-much-spending breaking point might be a lot lower than the Yankees or Dodgers, who are accustomed to the nuances of integrating large payrolls. The Tigers are in neither situation. Unless they acquire generational upgrades in front office personnel and prove that they have ascended to the level of the Rays/Cards, they will have to push all of the right buttons and spend a reasonable/average amount of money to succeed on a fairly regular basis, just the rest of the league. Hell, even the Cards have had a top-half salary structure for at least the last 5 years. These comments are spot on. Good management is doing more with less. In my book, when I look at the sweep of the last 90 years of the St. Louis Cards management, I would rate them as the best managed baseball franchise in MLB. Yes, I am aware that there was some shady hocus pocus at least once during the last 20, but that was an aberration. Despite what Detroit fans think, Detroit's biggest problem has been poor identification of talent and abysmal training and instruction of acquired talent. There are some signs that they may be getting better on these 2 points. 1 Quote
1776 Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 Daniel Norris appears to be headed to the Cubs. Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted March 17, 2022 Posted March 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, 1776 said: Daniel Norris appears to be headed to the Cubs. Wow, that's going to be a disaster. Quote
RatkoVarda Posted March 17, 2022 Author Posted March 17, 2022 55 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: I’d suggest Madden, Kreidler and Daz for Montas. no way of knowing what As want, but I think this is a reasonable offer Quote
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