2022 NFL Draft Thread

[Mr.TaterSalad]

14 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Hamilton can play all over the field hence why many evaluators who take into account positional value have him as the number 2 overall prospect, no other safety is in top 30 so that tells you how highly people think of him. 

Drafting an inferior player just for need and bc he plays a valuable position is what loser teams do. There's a ton of pass rushers in this draft all of which are viewed pretty equally after Hutch. You could just as easily get a great one with the 32nd or 34th pick.

For the record I'm not necessarily advocating taking Hamilton, I don't have a strong opinion either way but what I don't believe in is passing on him cause "he's just a safety". 

I trust the plan Brad Holmes and Co. are putting together and have like most of what they've done up to this point. While I would be disappointed if they picked Hamilton over one of the three edge rushers, I have enough faith in Holmes and the front office staff at this point to give them that benefit of the doubt this one time. A faith I didn't have in Mayhew or Quinn.

[Motown Bombers]

Jamal Adams had a total of 2 sacks in 3 seasons and 36 games in college so it wasn't like he was some sort of pass rusher before entering the NFL. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Jamal Adams had a total of 2 sacks in 3 seasons and 36 games in college so it wasn't like he was some sort of pass rusher before entering the NFL. 

But if you want someone to rush the passer, why not just draft a pass rusher to do just that instead of coaching up Hamilton to be that type of player?

Edited March 23, 2022 by Mr.TaterSalad

[Motown Bombers]

Jamal Adams also ran a 4.56 on the combine. I believe Hamilton's pro day is in a couple days so hopefully we can see an improvement in the 40. The Lions under Holmes seem to be a proponent of game speed and using GPS technology vs 40 times. 

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, Mr.TaterSalad said:

But if you want someone to rush the passer, why not just draft as pass rusher to do just that instead of coaching up Hamilton to be that type of player?

I assume Hutchinson will be gone and Hamilton also has playmaking abilities in the secondary and can defend the middle of the field. You also have to consider the depth of this draft. It's not like any of these pass rushers are grading out as a Bosa, Watt or Garrett type prospect. The NFL is getting smaller and more athletic and I think Hamilton is the future of NFL defenses. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

I assume Hutchinson will be gone and Hamilton also has playmaking abilities in the secondary and can defend the middle of the field. You also have to consider the depth of this draft. It's not like any of these pass rushers are grading out as a Bosa, Watt or Garrett type prospect. The NFL is getting smaller and more athletic and I think Hamilton is the future of NFL defenses. 

I get that the NFL is changing, but getting after the QB is still paramount in today's pass happy league. I would also argue that a pass rush can help make a secondary look better versus a secondary helping improve the pass rush. Maybe I'm way off base with that though.

If Hutch is gone, but you still think either Thibs or Walker could be a guy that gets you double digit sack totals and 40+ pressures a season, I think you take one of those guys over Hamilton. Again, I trust Holmes and Co. enough at this point to give them the benefit of the doubt and will be disappointed, but not critical, if they take Hamilton.

[Motown Bombers]

3 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I get that the NFL is changing, but getting after the QB is still paramount in today's pass happy league. I would also argue that a pass rush can help make a secondary look better versus a secondary helping improve the pass rush. Maybe I'm way off base with that though.

If Hutch is gone, but you still think either Thibs or Walker could be a guy that gets you double digit sack totals and 40+ pressures a season, I think you take one of those guys over Hamilton. Again, I trust Holmes and Co. enough at this point to give them the benefit of the doubt and will be disappointed, but not critical, if they take Hamilton.

Hamilton to me is a player that never has to come off the field. If you're playing Tennessee you can drop him in the box to defend the run against Henry, when you play the Chiefs you can drop him into coverage against Kelce, and when you're playing a mobile QB like Fields you can draw up some blitz packages to contain him. I just don't see Thibodeau or Walker as elite pass rushers. They will probably be good and possibly average double digit sacks. I can see Hamilton doing a little bit of every thing and doing it well. He's the new modern day defender. 

[buddha]

i assume hamilton would be the "in the box" linebacker and walker would be your "centerfielder".  hamilton would run with tight ends but is unlikely to be able to cover receivers.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

11 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Hamilton to me is a player that never has to come off the field. If you're playing Tennessee you can drop him in the box to defend the run against Henry, when you play the Chiefs you can drop him into coverage against Kelce, and when you're playing a mobile QB like Fields you can draw up some blitz packages to contain him. I just don't see Thibodeau or Walker as elite pass rushers. They will probably be good and possibly average double digit sacks. I can see Hamilton doing a little bit of every thing and doing it well. He's the new modern day defender. 

Essentially he has to live up to being a Jamal Adams or Derwin James type of player at that pick. And if he does, then that's a phenomenal pick and we will all be happy.

[Stanley70]

Does Detroit even use an "in the box" safety? I believe Glenn likes to play two deep safeties.

 

Edited March 23, 2022 by Stanley70

[Motown Bombers]

7 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Essentially he has to live up to being a Jamal Adams or Derwin James type of player at that pick. And if he does, then that's a phenomenal pick and we will all be happy.

Well no. I saw comparisons of Hamilton to Kam Chancellor. I would take Kam Chancellor over say Jadaveon Clowney. 

[RandyMarsh]

You can say the same thing about a pass rusher, if the pass rusher is merely just a good rusher he's not going to live up to the pick, he's got to be atleast in the league of the Bosa brothers or else he's going to be seen as a disappointment. If he merely produces at a Romeo Okwara type level of 10 or so sacks a year most would say he didn't live up to the hype. Basically any player you draft at number 2 you a hope will play at an all pro level or at the very least pro bowl level and out of all the guys in the draft I think Hamilton has the best chance to do that. 

[buddha]

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kyle-hamilton/32004841-4d24-6970-5c23-1fbf7506b4a0

hard to argue against taking a guy with that scouting report.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Alright, so assuming no trade back, if it's Hamilton/Hutchison, Hamilton/Thibedeaux, or Hamilton/Walker who is everyone taking in these three scenarios?

[buddha]

toss up.  

hutch, thibs, hamilton, walker.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

8 hours ago, buddha said:

toss up.  

hutch, thibs, hamilton, walker.

I'd still put Walker ahead of Hamilton given the need at edge and concerns I still have about Hamilton's speed and ability to cover certain players in the NFL. But again, I'm going to trust Holmes and Co. on this one if they do go Hamilton over Walker or Thibs. They earned that trust with a really good draft last year and two years of being smart in free agency.

I'm also trying as best I can to be done having meltdowns over things this organization does in the draft and allowing it to ruin my experience as a fan. I melted down when Millen picked Charles Rogers and Jordan Dizon, when Mayhew picked Pettigrew and Ebron, when Quinn picked Hockenson and Tavai. I have enough faith left in Brad Holmes to just sit back and enjoy the draft for once and not fret because they took a guy I didn't want. So Kyle Hamilton is the pick, so be it because I trust this regime thus far.

[Hongbit]

9 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Alright, so assuming no trade back, if it's Hamilton/Hutchison, Hamilton/Thibedeaux, or Hamilton/Walker who is everyone taking in these three scenarios?

Thibs, Hutch, Hamilton, Walker

[TP_Fan]

10 hours ago, buddha said:

toss up.  

hutch, thibs, hamilton, walker.

Hutch, Hamilton and hard pass on the other two. 

[buddha]

thibs is almost becoming underrated now.  he's the "bendiest" of all the de's and the one that most profiles as a top top pass rusher.

he's got some flaws and because he's been the presumed #1 for so long people have had time to pick him over, but he's a better "pass rushing" prospect than hutchinson.  hutch had a great year, but he's not "bendy", he's got great hands, is strong, and has a non stop motor, but he's not going to be able to go through nfl tackles the way he went through ohio state tackles.

hutch seems like a high floor high-ish ceiling guy, while thibs - with his injury history and perceived "character" issues - seems more of a lower floor but highest ceiling player.  and i'm always wary of "character" and "motivation" concerns with prospects.  i'd be fine if they took thibs.

[RandyMarsh]

24 minutes ago, buddha said:

thibs is almost becoming underrated now.  he's the "bendiest" of all the de's and the one that most profiles as a top top pass rusher.

he's got some flaws and because he's been the presumed #1 for so long people have had time to pick him over, but he's a better "pass rushing" prospect than hutchinson.  hutch had a great year, but he's not "bendy", he's got great hands, is strong, and has a non stop motor, but he's not going to be able to go through nfl tackles the way he went through ohio state tackles.

hutch seems like a high floor high-ish ceiling guy, while thibs - with his injury history and perceived "character" issues - seems more of a lower floor but highest ceiling player.  and i'm always wary of "character" and "motivation" concerns with prospects.  i'd be fine if they took thibs.

I agree, while unlikely Thibs is the one guy who I think has atleast a slim chance of being Myles Garrett or Myles Garrett light. He certainly has some risk but I wouldn't be against picking him and hoping MCDC and company get the most out of him. 

[MichiganCardinal]

For all that was made about Thibs, it shouldn’t be overlooked that he was the consensus #1 overall prospect coming into this for a reason.

[Hongbit]

I’m still confused on what Thibs character Issues are.   He’s a smart kid that’s never been in trouble and seems well liked by teammates.   

[RandyMarsh]

The ESPN guys of Kiper,  McShay, Miller and Jordan Reid came out with their latest positional and overall rankings, Hutch and Hamilton are the consensus 1 and 2.

Nothing really of note other then they all still have Ojabo as the top olb and all say they expect him to still go in the 1st round or early 2nd at the latest so if they are to be believed any thoughts of him slipping till the 3rd to us isn't going to happen.

[buddha]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

I’m still confused on what Thibs character Issues are.   He’s a smart kid that’s never been in trouble and seems well liked by teammates.   

doesnt play through injury.  people questioned his willingness to play hard at oregon.

its just draft scuttlebutt talk.

[Motown Bombers]

Work ethic concerns worry me at the college level. See Nick Fairley.